Like these are the people who complained when Steam instituted a no-questions-asked refund policy if your total playtime is less than five minutes going "But my game costs $10 and ends in two minutes"
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I don't wanna be too much of an asshole, I don't think the reactionary shit about "These aren't even games" is accurate or helpful, but it is fair to point out that what a lot of these people are doing is intentionally very strongly distinct from what most audience members want
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Like the philosophy is that making and playing games is just a way of people talking to each other so making a game should be as easy as playing one and it's this whole ongoing collaborative process, every game is just having "something to say" Which is great
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But it's not what most people looking to buy and play a game want (And a lot of people seem to take the stance that wanting a big-budget, highly polished, long and cinematic experience is wanting to be a mindless capitalist consumer Very Adorno-esque)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Which, perhaps not coincidentally, corresponds with "what can my small studio/individual creator self put out easily? That? That's virtuous."
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Gaming doesn't really have a full-blown "indie" scene like film does, is the thing, because there isn't really a fully indie platform. It has a thriving corporate-professional scene and a thriving AMATEUR scene that we *call* an indie scene.
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There's the middle realm I keep referencing though - I could name tons of games. FTL, Battletech, Night in the Woods, Oxenfree, Unavowed. All examples of stuff that's both at about the same polish and budget levels as indie cinema
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It's just, that gets conflated with the amateur scene in these discussions on inclusivity, when in fact the "true indies" aren't really more inclusive than AAA (although both are doing better lately). It's just the amateur scene which is "inclusive"
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Hell, I think I'll burn down some more bridges and say a lot of rhetoric about what tropes are or are not acceptable revolve heavily around enshrining the tastes and methods of these amateurs and condemning those of AAA. Except when an amateur does it, it is magically transmuted
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Yeah, like how so many people are comfortable with a level of outright sexuality that makes me highly squicked - and I mean, like, graphic sex and stuff, obviously - but violence is just a no no
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They're trying to completely invert what they perceive to be the old school tastes of American moral guardians, yeah
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