Yeah if the indie scene were actually as thriving as advertised the envy wouldn't be so pronounced (And I really think that while obviously everyone wants money it's envy for attention as much as it is sales)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent
Yeah I mean a lot of these folks don't even sell their games Which is fine, respect, but like a indie-with-a-budget game on up (I'm talking Oxenfree, FTL, NitW) is just a fundamentally different thing than Twine or Bitsy or some abstract shapes 3D thing
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It's not even really like comparing Dogme 95 to Marvel movies, it's like comparing Infinite Jest to Marvel movies, or any movies
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent
No, Infinite Jest is famous for being too long, not too short
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Like these are the people who complained when Steam instituted a no-questions-asked refund policy if your total playtime is less than five minutes going "But my game costs $10 and ends in two minutes"
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I don't wanna be too much of an asshole, I don't think the reactionary shit about "These aren't even games" is accurate or helpful, but it is fair to point out that what a lot of these people are doing is intentionally very strongly distinct from what most audience members want
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Like the philosophy is that making and playing games is just a way of people talking to each other so making a game should be as easy as playing one and it's this whole ongoing collaborative process, every game is just having "something to say" Which is great
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But it's not what most people looking to buy and play a game want (And a lot of people seem to take the stance that wanting a big-budget, highly polished, long and cinematic experience is wanting to be a mindless capitalist consumer Very Adorno-esque)
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I remember a standup comic complaining about how most "experimental" comics are just bad at it and really self-indulgent, and a lot of them clearly have no interest in making a living at it at all, but you have to put up with them while trying to come up through open mics
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Like trying to work in a kitchen with a bunch of teenagers who want to "experiment with food" and "play with food" and end up wasting a lot of food doing dumb shit When you full well know most people coming to the restaurant are just hungry
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And it's not like Nanette isn't a great work of art but Gadsby did that AFTER years and years of work at being funny, not BEFORE (I still stand by sticking up for her after the ridiculous backlash against her)
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