The Nazis were bad because they were xenophobic towards people who were peaceful towards them. They made up stories about how terrible their enemies were to justify their behavior. It's on all of us to be careful & make sure we don't fall into the same trap.
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Replying to @PlzBeSensible @arthur_affect and
There's this particularly annoying thing that you ratcultists keep doing, which is trying to invent facially neutral ways to describe evil behavior. But the thing is, EVIL BEHAVIOR ISN'T FACIALLY NEUTRAL.
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Replying to @iridienne @arthur_affect and
The Nazis were bad because they were violent and xenophobic toward PEOPLE OF OTHER ETHNICITIES and DISABLED PEOPLE and LGBT PEOPLE. They made up stories about how terrible THE JEWS and THE ROMA and DISABLED PEOPLE and TRANS PEOPLE were to justify their behavior.
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Replying to @iridienne @arthur_affect and
Generalizing from the particular here doesn't actually illuminate some greater truth; rather, it elides the entire history of WHY those groups, WHY those stories, WHY that particular exercise of power and violence rather than some other.
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Replying to @iridienne @arthur_affect and
I'm not sure it matters why the Nazis did what they did? It was evil regardless of their reasons, wasn't it?
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Replying to @PlzBeSensible @iridienne and
Are you trying to say that there are circumstances under which the Nazis would have been justified, if the history had been different? That sounds like some kinda Nazi apologia.
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Replying to @PlzBeSensible @iridienne and
1. Literally yes, history is the context to action. You could create and endless steam of counterfactual hypotheticals to justify actions. You are repeatedly trying lean on that notion as an absurdity to water down actual discussion of history though.
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Replying to @Ohdejezeus @PlzBeSensible and
2. Rather than deal with what was you want to deal with this decontexualized moral absolutism. You've shown at best a tenuous grasp of the history actually at play here. So this intellectual chicanery allows you to stay in the debate despite having nothing to offer.
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Replying to @Ohdejezeus @PlzBeSensible and
3. So you're not even engaging in good faith, you're posing as a budget Socrates to simply keep up the illusion of good faith. But rather than taking the time to do basic study you're simply trying to dig in until victory and your opposition tires out or loses their cool.
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Replying to @Ohdejezeus @PlzBeSensible and
Lmaooo budget Socrates To be fair, Socrates got what was coming. As an Ancient Greek I too would poison someone who annoyed literally everyone and demanded they debate me
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People disliked Socrates so much they made him the butt of this huge in-joke in Aristophanes' Clouds, he's basically the unsympathetic villain of the whole play (And no one who wasn't from Athens got why it was supposed to be funny)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @notscottsiskind and
Damn, imagine writing a satire of someone so biting that it gets the guy executed!pic.twitter.com/GFaZnpAbeX
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Replying to @avram @notscottsiskind and
I mean, not gonna defend killing Socrates, but the thing is people looking back on it don't really separate the part where he was accused of being a heretic/crackpot and the part where he was accused of being a *grifter*, which is what Aristophanes was really going in hard on
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