To have a "kneejerk sense of disgust" is to be a functional human being, in particular to have a functional moral sense Indeed, disgust and morality are synonymous - the act of moral judgment is merely an abstraction, the lived experience of which is the feeling of disgust
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Replying to @arthur_affect @PlzBeSensible and
This is how homophobes and transphobes justify themselves though. LGBT supporters may have started out feeling uneasy around gay and trans people, but changed those feelings. Disgust can inform morality, but in a lot of cases the reverse is better.
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Replying to @Hari_Narayan_SK @PlzBeSensible and
I'm not saying emotion "informs" morality, I'm saying it IS morality, that the two things are equivalent and people deny this fact What you are disgusted by - or angered by, or afraid of - IS what your morality is, whether or not you consciously admit it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
Your morality can change, and indeed MUST change over time if you're ever to become a better person than you are right now That entails your emotions changing One can't happen without the other, and the great delusion of the "rationalism" bros is the idea that they're separable
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
This is exactly why people are locked in this fight over "SJWs going too far" "I'm not comfortable with LGBT stuff myself, but I'm willing to intellectually agree that you deserve rights, isn't that good enough for you" Of course not
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
It's a good *starting point* but if that's an accurate description of where you are what it means is your morals *haven't actually changed* Your verbal *description* of your morals have changed, probably because you emotionally need to maintain friendly relations with me asking
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
But when push comes to shove if you actually have to make a choice you are very likely to crumple Nobody stands up for something based on what they intellectually assent to but emotionally just aren't comfortable with
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
Part of the radicalization these people call the "Great Awokening" was the sheer exhaustion of the gay marriage fight and the aftermath of Prop 8 The sheer sense of betrayal at HOW MANY Californians who were allies in theory jumped ship the moment they had to commit
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
That what your actual moral commitments are is a black box from the standpoint of reasoned debate and intellectual inquiry and all that weak shit Very civil, reasonable upper class suburbanites nodding going "I hear and accept your arguments but I'm just voting how I feel"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
It's when the shit hits the fan and a change is actually about to occur that you actually find out who you really are When there's riots in the streets and you find out whether it's the cops or the protesters who tickle your brain's sense of wrongness and transgression
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Which means if your project is to actually change the world - to change how people actually behave - you don't do it via arguments and rationality Any position you were reasoned into can be reasoned out of
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
The human brain is very good at "rationalization", in fact so-called "rationalization" is the primary function and the rationalist ideal of reasoning yourself *out* of your moral commitments, if it ever happens, is a rare accidental side effect
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Hari_Narayan_SK and
You change what people's morals ACTUALLY are based on changing their emotional landscape Through shame, and fear, and guilt, and desire for community
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