We're mixing several things together here: (1) picking a mate because you like them (2) wanting your kids to inherit some of the things you like about them (3) believing in objectively "good" traits (the "eu" in "eugenics") that you're deliberately "breeding for" in your kids
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @humbug1994 and
He’s not mixing any of those things
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Replying to @RafFaithfull @humbug1994 and
Your hypothetical: "If a woman wants to have babies with the smartest and most attractive man she can find..." I'm trying to extract the reason why. Some of the reasons seem to me like they'd conceivably be creepy; others, not. That's what I'm trying to unmix.
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @RafFaithfull and
"Eugenics" is a CONSCIOUS BELIEF SYSTEM It's not a general description of things that happen in the world, and by diluting it down like that you're engaging in Scott's favorite fallacy, the motte-and-bailey fallacy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
Moreover, the statement that "everyone engages in eugenics *whether or not they know it*" is itself an expression of the eugenicist belief system and therefore not falsifiable except by falsifying eugenics itself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
It's like a Christian saying "Even the unbelievers in their perversity give glory to God" It's vacuous nonsense
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
If I actually took your assertion seriously then *everything* is eugenics and "dysgenics" does not exist The human brain is an evolved, deterministic system like everything else in the world and all of it is just evolution working itself out, including me saying I'm against it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
lol no I’ve never claimed that “everything” is eugenics. Dysgenics exist as well. Contraception is basically dysgenics. And that second thing looks like a gibberish mix of genetic determinism with agency bypassing and.....just very unclear and odd
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Replying to @RafFaithfull @arthur_affect and
wait, contraception...is...dysgenics? what what whaaat i am so confused now
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @RafFaithfull and
I think the argument that contraception is dysgenic is that incompetent people will misuse contraception and end up pregnant while responsible people will use it properly and not get pregnant.
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No, it's that "high-achieving" people will use it to have all the sex they want but avoid having kids because it's personally inconvenient to them due to their careers while "low-achieving" people won't care It's the opening scene of Mike Judge's IDIOCRACY
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Replying to @arthur_affect @humbug1994 and
God damn it I know your bullshit subculture's bullshit theories better than you do shut the fuck up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
We both provided accurate descriptions of the theory.
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