We're mixing several things together here: (1) picking a mate because you like them (2) wanting your kids to inherit some of the things you like about them (3) believing in objectively "good" traits (the "eu" in "eugenics") that you're deliberately "breeding for" in your kids
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @humbug1994 and
He’s not mixing any of those things
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Replying to @RafFaithfull @humbug1994 and
Your hypothetical: "If a woman wants to have babies with the smartest and most attractive man she can find..." I'm trying to extract the reason why. Some of the reasons seem to me like they'd conceivably be creepy; others, not. That's what I'm trying to unmix.
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @RafFaithfull and
"Eugenics" is a CONSCIOUS BELIEF SYSTEM It's not a general description of things that happen in the world, and by diluting it down like that you're engaging in Scott's favorite fallacy, the motte-and-bailey fallacy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
Moreover, the statement that "everyone engages in eugenics *whether or not they know it*" is itself an expression of the eugenicist belief system and therefore not falsifiable except by falsifying eugenics itself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
It's like a Christian saying "Even the unbelievers in their perversity give glory to God" It's vacuous nonsense
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
If I actually took your assertion seriously then *everything* is eugenics and "dysgenics" does not exist The human brain is an evolved, deterministic system like everything else in the world and all of it is just evolution working itself out, including me saying I'm against it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
lol no I’ve never claimed that “everything” is eugenics. Dysgenics exist as well. Contraception is basically dysgenics. And that second thing looks like a gibberish mix of genetic determinism with agency bypassing and.....just very unclear and odd
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Replying to @RafFaithfull @arthur_affect and
wait, contraception...is...dysgenics? what what whaaat i am so confused now
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @RafFaithfull and
Yeah no this is MRA/HBD/alt-right standard shit They believe that "attractiveness = genetic fitness" and everyone operates on the same evolutionarily determined attractiveness scale, and therefore having sex with the hottest person you can is "unconsciously practicing eugenics"
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Then therefore the fact that you can use contraception and having sex does not automatically produce offspring is "dysgenics", making the Pill available is an action that reduced the chance of the "best" genes being passed on
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
This is nonsense on multiple levels but they really really care about this narrative, to them it's the whole central theory that they use to explain human history Scott Alexander was REALLY into this shit during his incel years (and probably still is but has just toned it down)
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