You embarrassingly tried to strawman it by using language like “this will guarantee her kids...”
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Replying to @humbug1994 @arthur_affect and
We're mixing several things together here: (1) picking a mate because you like them (2) wanting your kids to inherit some of the things you like about them (3) believing in objectively "good" traits (the "eu" in "eugenics") that you're deliberately "breeding for" in your kids
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @humbug1994 and
He’s not mixing any of those things
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Replying to @RafFaithfull @humbug1994 and
Your hypothetical: "If a woman wants to have babies with the smartest and most attractive man she can find..." I'm trying to extract the reason why. Some of the reasons seem to me like they'd conceivably be creepy; others, not. That's what I'm trying to unmix.
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Replying to @vjpsyverson @RafFaithfull and
"Eugenics" is a CONSCIOUS BELIEF SYSTEM It's not a general description of things that happen in the world, and by diluting it down like that you're engaging in Scott's favorite fallacy, the motte-and-bailey fallacy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
Moreover, the statement that "everyone engages in eugenics *whether or not they know it*" is itself an expression of the eugenicist belief system and therefore not falsifiable except by falsifying eugenics itself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
It's like a Christian saying "Even the unbelievers in their perversity give glory to God" It's vacuous nonsense
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
If I actually took your assertion seriously then *everything* is eugenics and "dysgenics" does not exist The human brain is an evolved, deterministic system like everything else in the world and all of it is just evolution working itself out, including me saying I'm against it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @vjpsyverson and
lol no I’ve never claimed that “everything” is eugenics. Dysgenics exist as well. Contraception is basically dysgenics. And that second thing looks like a gibberish mix of genetic determinism with agency bypassing and.....just very unclear and odd
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Replying to @RafFaithfull @vjpsyverson and
Okay so someone can choose to have kids with someone they like and not in any sense base this on the idea that they actually believe that the qualities they like will be passed down and this will be good for society
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In fact, I would argue that to be an ethical parent you HAVE TO DO THIS If you think you and your partner are whatever you define as "smart" and you aren't prepared to parent a kid who isn't "smart" you are going to be a pisspoor excuse for a parent
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RafFaithfull and
If you aren't prepared to have a kid with a disability or a kid who doesn't achieve what you want them to do in life or a kid who's just a kind of person you don't like (a meathead jock who bullies nerds) then you shouldn't fucking have a kid
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RafFaithfull and
Especially since a bunch of disabilities have no discernible correlation to genetics. I have a moderate hearing loss. Not genetic, the little bones in my ears just developed wrong. I also have autism. We still don't know what causes that. Sometimes it's familial, sometimes not.
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