So was that their rude awakening that they’d wanted something different and hadn’t been expressing that as separate from ‘progress in the medium’ and then discovered the desire by becoming disappointed, or
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
Yeah - the medium does what it's good at! The moral aspects are less significant here than a kind of boredom, maybe, with the possibilities offered?
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Replying to @mssilverstein @chrysopoetics and
Like, back to 4X games - each one has refined diplomatic options, and it's never REALLY gotten better. That's not saying that I think the games need to simulate peace better because it's more moral than war - peace actually is simmed OK in Civ with science, etc.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @chrysopoetics and
my commentary on diplomacy is, the basic issue is that in 4x games war is really, really rewarding. pacifying and incorporating enemy worlds/territory is pretty trivial, and the rewards for doing so are always strictly better than diplomatic outcomes.
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Replying to @perdricof @chrysopoetics and
Yeah - although I think some of that in real life is incorporated within diplomatic structures (building alliances to ensure support, etc.) And there are other peaceful ways to expand in those games, with big cities and technology. It's the back-and-forth that's missing.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @perdricof and
And, tbf, it likely isn't that fun even if simulated well. Do I really want to play a game of Civ where I have to study the personalities and varied interests of my neighbors?
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @mssilverstein and
You would. The two most insidious factions are the only two who can't torture their citizens from the start, and the FMV narrative is from the point of view of the tradcath character from prison expressing horror at where society is going
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @chrysopoetics and
That's just the one FMV for the Self-Aware Colony, there's other ones
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If you think the in-game quotes represent a "canon narrative" then the canon narrative is probably that Miriam and her followers die by mass suicide before she actually gets captured in a punishment sphere
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chrysopoetics and
How does she write the self aware colony thing? also, they seem to preserve Catholicism pretty intact, wouldn't suicide be a mortal sin?
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @chrysopoetics and
Well, the commentary on the Self-Aware Colony is from an essay she published at the time before she died ("We Must Dissent") The story of her death is implied by the quote when you research the Psi-Gate, where she gives a quote telling her followers "Heaven is on the other side"
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