it is really not about class exploitation in any straightforward way. and absolutely not about class solidarity at all; the family just enthusiastically fucks over all their peers.
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Replying to @nberlat
I mean, portraying a lack of solidarity is a way a movie can in fact be about solidarity
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Replying to @arthur_affect
it can be! I don't see it in this case; way too fragmented and confused about it. I think someone has to make at least a gesture at a case for solidarity, if that's what the movie wants to be about.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect
They do that in one scene quite explicitly, no?
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Replying to @Mad_Science_Guy @arthur_affect
not really. the dad sort of vaguely feels sorry for the driver he got booted is the closest they come. but I don't think empathy (however vague) is the same as solidarity.
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Replying to @nberlat @Mad_Science_Guy
Yes, that's what I mean, it's portraying a lack of solidarity He's capable of recognizing they did a very bad thing, he can project himself into the driver's shoes, but he can't look past that to how this behavior keeps them all fucked over as a class
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Which I thought was a very trenchant observation about how members of the underclass fighting each other for the scraps of the rich keeps them downtrodden as a group.
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Yeah, I mean it's a really weird hot take to try to grade a film on its class politics by asking whether it "depicts class solidarity" Solidarity is an ideal, it's not that "good politics" means depicting the existence of solidarity as a fact The fact is it mostly doesn't exist
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Replying to @arthur_affect @wfrolik and
If working-class solidarity were a persistent and consistent and powerful force in our country, it would look nothing like it does today And Bong is very intensely focused in this movie about a similar analysis of South Korean politics
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Replying to @arthur_affect @wfrolik and
I think this point deserves emphasis. The movie goes to significant lengths to show that "class solidarity" is not a cheap and easy fix, and that empathy isn't enough to get you there The dad identified with the man in the basement, but in the end saw it as his family or theirs
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A literal Prisoner's Dilemma -- either side ratting the other out is potentially disastrous, but either side *successfully* ratting the other out without getting caught would let them breathe a huge sigh of relief and finally feel safe
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