it can be! I don't see it in this case; way too fragmented and confused about it. I think someone has to make at least a gesture at a case for solidarity, if that's what the movie wants to be about.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect
They do that in one scene quite explicitly, no?
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Replying to @Mad_Science_Guy @arthur_affect
not really. the dad sort of vaguely feels sorry for the driver he got booted is the closest they come. but I don't think empathy (however vague) is the same as solidarity.
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Replying to @nberlat @Mad_Science_Guy
Yes, that's what I mean, it's portraying a lack of solidarity He's capable of recognizing they did a very bad thing, he can project himself into the driver's shoes, but he can't look past that to how this behavior keeps them all fucked over as a class
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Which I thought was a very trenchant observation about how members of the underclass fighting each other for the scraps of the rich keeps them downtrodden as a group.
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Yeah, I mean it's a really weird hot take to try to grade a film on its class politics by asking whether it "depicts class solidarity" Solidarity is an ideal, it's not that "good politics" means depicting the existence of solidarity as a fact The fact is it mostly doesn't exist
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Replying to @arthur_affect @wfrolik and
If working-class solidarity were a persistent and consistent and powerful force in our country, it would look nothing like it does today And Bong is very intensely focused in this movie about a similar analysis of South Korean politics
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so he made a movie about how being poor sucks and rich people are snobs, and poor people are deceitful but fun, and they struggle and both suffer.
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Well, about how poverty creates a vicious cycle of cruelty and betrayal, yes
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And how Mr. Kim's murder of Mr. Pak is because the latter complains how housekeeper's husband smells and it makes Mr. Kim realize that the contempt being expressed applies to him as well.
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Right, part of the tragedy is that Mr. Kim does come to this groping, stumbling awareness of solidarity at the very end, but only when it's too late and he can only express it as a howl of suicidal rage
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that's the first end. ultimately he decides to venerate the rich guy.
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Huh? When was that?
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