I mean, portraying a lack of solidarity is a way a movie can in fact be about solidarity
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Replying to @arthur_affect
it can be! I don't see it in this case; way too fragmented and confused about it. I think someone has to make at least a gesture at a case for solidarity, if that's what the movie wants to be about.
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Replying to @nberlat @arthur_affect
They do that in one scene quite explicitly, no?
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Replying to @Mad_Science_Guy @arthur_affect
not really. the dad sort of vaguely feels sorry for the driver he got booted is the closest they come. but I don't think empathy (however vague) is the same as solidarity.
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Replying to @nberlat @Mad_Science_Guy
Yes, that's what I mean, it's portraying a lack of solidarity He's capable of recognizing they did a very bad thing, he can project himself into the driver's shoes, but he can't look past that to how this behavior keeps them all fucked over as a class
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Which I thought was a very trenchant observation about how members of the underclass fighting each other for the scraps of the rich keeps them downtrodden as a group.
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Yeah, I mean it's a really weird hot take to try to grade a film on its class politics by asking whether it "depicts class solidarity" Solidarity is an ideal, it's not that "good politics" means depicting the existence of solidarity as a fact The fact is it mostly doesn't exist
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Replying to @arthur_affect @wfrolik and
If working-class solidarity were a persistent and consistent and powerful force in our country, it would look nothing like it does today And Bong is very intensely focused in this movie about a similar analysis of South Korean politics
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so he made a movie about how being poor sucks and rich people are snobs, and poor people are deceitful but fun, and they struggle and both suffer.
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Well, about how poverty creates a vicious cycle of cruelty and betrayal, yes
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I mean *can* you really divorce the tropey fun of a "heist movie" from class politics? The whole idea of a heist movie is that you're watching people commit a crime, deceive and betray people, but you're rooting for them because you know how it feels to want what others have
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Right! Besides I'd argue acknowledging poverty and tension between employers and staff *is* a form of class politics
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See 'Tower Heist.'
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