Ehh. It has upsides and downsides, obviously. but it's definitely part of what leads to some of the more *odd* Evangelical positions, imo. And it's not like Judaism has somehow failed to have diversity of thought while also having the idea that rabbinical training is needed.
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Not without extensive resistance from the rabbinical establishment, though,.
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Yeah I mean they did in point of fact do stuff like try to excommunicate Spinoza (though that was partly driven by a desire to protect the Jewish community as a whole from persecution by giving no quarter to atheism)
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Obviously. But in general, in Jewish thought, our experience has been rather different from Catholicism while still pointedly having both a notion of some level of educational gatekeeping for formal doctrine AND vast, VAST diversity within our spheres.
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So it's not "you must have a faith 'purified' of tradition and canon outside of scripture to allow for diversity."
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And there are, of course, some Protestant traditions with a more rigorous intellectual backing; Presbyterianism has a fairly strong intellectual component as opposed to charismatics.
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Okay but the evangelicals ARE Presbyterians, that's the lineage that they come from, charismatics are a reaction against that original lineage (Scottish Presbyterians -> English Presbyterians -> the Puritan movement that led to the English Civil War -> the Mayflower Pilgrims)
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Charismatics have a far greater influence on modern Evangelicals than the intellectual tradition, though.
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"Charismatics" per se didn't exist until the 1960s (and the Pentecostal movement they derive from didn't exist until the 1900s) and they're still highly controversial among self-IDed evangelicals as a whole, so that's not really fair
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I mean, fine, you can say that, but then you can't blame Martin Luther for it, because the people they were reacting against were just as much products of the Protestant Reformation
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Like if you wanna talk about charismatics I read How to Live Like a King's Kid by Harold Hill (yes, like the con artist from The Music Man) when I was a kid And he greatly enjoyed calling his enemies "the Sanhedrin", by which he didn't mean Catholics (or Jews) but Calvinists
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Like, specifically Calvinist theologians from the big Reformed-lineage denominations in the US, the people who go to Calvin College in Grand Rapids and publish in Zondervan Press They were the Establishment his grifting horseshit was railing against
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