Yeah, that's undoubtedly true. I think I generally view that as a positive, despite the millions of crackpots it allows.
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Yeah I'm not gonna co-sign the idea that it's better to have one universal established church to clamp down on heresies
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Ehh. It has upsides and downsides, obviously. but it's definitely part of what leads to some of the more *odd* Evangelical positions, imo. And it's not like Judaism has somehow failed to have diversity of thought while also having the idea that rabbinical training is needed.
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Not without extensive resistance from the rabbinical establishment, though,.
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Yeah I mean they did in point of fact do stuff like try to excommunicate Spinoza (though that was partly driven by a desire to protect the Jewish community as a whole from persecution by giving no quarter to atheism)
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Obviously. But in general, in Jewish thought, our experience has been rather different from Catholicism while still pointedly having both a notion of some level of educational gatekeeping for formal doctrine AND vast, VAST diversity within our spheres.
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So it's not "you must have a faith 'purified' of tradition and canon outside of scripture to allow for diversity."
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And there are, of course, some Protestant traditions with a more rigorous intellectual backing; Presbyterianism has a fairly strong intellectual component as opposed to charismatics.
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Okay but the evangelicals ARE Presbyterians, that's the lineage that they come from, charismatics are a reaction against that original lineage (Scottish Presbyterians -> English Presbyterians -> the Puritan movement that led to the English Civil War -> the Mayflower Pilgrims)
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That's kind of my point, this unidirectional "Falling away from the guidance of Holy Mother Church makes you stupid and anti-intellectual" narrative doesn't hold over all those centuries It's something chauvinistic Catholics say but it doesn't hold up
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And it ties into all this stuff where the Reformation as it took place in Britain led to the Enlightenment philosophies of Locke and Hume and therefore modernity itself is bad
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I mean I actually do think the relentless Rationalism of the Enlightenment should be seriously questioned, interrogated, and ultimately no longer seen as an unvarnished good.
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Especially since a lot of it is more an elevation of the *forms* of "secular" science rather than actual reverence of either scientific inquiry or reduced religious bias in society.
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