@Lollardfish has a bunch of rants about this as a medievalist, basically saying the idea of the Renaissance as we know it actually being a Golden Age of some kind was a lie
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
Like all the apologetics you can do to dance around what the Borgias were like can't erase the plain fact that the papacy of Alexander VI was *cartoonishly* corrupt Like there's just *no way* everyone was gonna sit back and let the concept of indulgences slide after that point
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Ok but that's really almost a besides-the-point, honestly. It's not like Luther was the only figure criticizing that practice, that's just what Protestants blow up to make him look better as opposed to "also he drove women out of womens' spaces, destroyed folk religion (cont)
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
"and dealt a severe blow to the entire concept of clerical interpretation and doctrinal scholarship."
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Is that true? There's a very extensive literary and mystical tradition in Protestant Germany after Luther.
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He certainly destroyed a lot of the local saints' cults and other cultural texture of the faith and imo Christendom has longed desperately ever since for something like it, it's basically the driver of both fundamentalism and orientalism imo
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That didn't seem to help Spain or Italy much.
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Pardon?
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I mean, with longstanding and well-established Catholic powers, including the odd and mystical saints practices, they had no shortage of fundamentalism and of course, antisemitism.
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Yeah the Inquisition had already happened and everything
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You can say a lot of potentially negative things about the future Catholic Church, like the aggressively colonizing attitude of the Jesuits, were fueled by the Counter-Reformation But it's not like the Church before then was all that great
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