It's a powerful and yet infuriating moment, like you're supposed to scream with rage along with Baze It's the moment where Chirrut's faith is validated - "All is as the Force wills it" - and revealed to be a sick joke, that we're all just puppets the Force uses and discards
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Replying to @arthur_affect @EmilyUnbound and
Well this is a tremendously nihilistic and misotheistic view.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
I mean if you're determined to not only read it in the most spiteful "ONLY I MATTER!" way and also ruin the scene for literally everyone else... *shrug*
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Replying to @loudpenitent @EmilyUnbound and
Are you saying Baze didn't have a right to be mad at that point
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Replying to @arthur_affect @EmilyUnbound and
I don't even really read it in the same light you are, and I'm faIrly sure we aren't supposed to see Baze as having done so either. It's not a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Rage Against the Author, his last stand is simply an angry, sad and ultimately peaceful last stand.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @EmilyUnbound and
The scene is shot very strongly to give you the impression that there is no explanation for Chirrut making it to the switch but a pure miracle And to *emphasize* the cruelty of the miracle going away - Chirrut makes it all the way to the switch and then is INSTANTLY shot
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Replying to @arthur_affect @EmilyUnbound and
Yeah I don't get that "cruelty" at all, man, that's all you.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
This scene is only "cruel" if you think Chirrut and Baze haven't already resigned themselves to their deaths and that the worst possible thing that could happen to them - spiritual guardians of a Force religion's temple - is death.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
To read this as a cruel joke and a mockery of the characters at the literal moment shot as a rediscovery and validation of their faith - a faith which explicitly places the whole above one - is so profoundly willfully maltheistic it boggles the mind.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
yeah I gotta side with Penitent here, like even if I think reading the force as a sentient thing that decides who lives & dies portrays that scene...poorly, the CHARACTERS clearly don't view this as a cruel joke situation just a resigned last stand
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All I'll say is that the decision to make the transition from "miracle" back to "reality" so clear and sharp was an obviously intentional choice A more boring movie would've had Chirrut do something really cool to fight off his attackers and slowly get overwhelmed etc
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Replying to @arthur_affect @saintwalker98 and
Instead it's this very mystical moment - it seems to actually be impossible to kill Chirrut at all, defying all logic, until he hits the switch, then he's instantly shot without effort
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Like I said I think that it is meant to seem cruel to us the audience, especially pressed up against the Vader hallway scene, but that it should seem serene to the characters, I just don't AGREE with their emotions? Like they're clearly just abused into accepting the force
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