It has a massive impact on the infection rate of the overall population if the government allows people to hire cleaners, so yes it actually does matter
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Replying to @arthur_affect @halford_rosie and
SD doesn't employ a cleaner and OJ has put his on furlough, so neither are actually arguing that they should be allowed to employ a cleaner during a pandemic. I don't know what its like in Ohio, but in the UK well off people arguing about the ethics of employing cleaners
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @arthur_affect and
is hugely alienating for the 80% plus of the population who can't afford to employ one. When its middle class left wing people agonising about that, it makes the average working class person want to do nothing more than go out and vote Tory.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @halford_rosie and
...Except the cleaners, themselves, are human beings who have a stake in this matter, whose interests Owen was defending
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
This is such an incredibly disingenuous, shitty framing, the whole "Silence, class traitor!" stance I don't have a cleaner nor do I work as one but I feel pretty fucking strongly about this issue because I don't want the fucking infection rate to rise
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
A pretty large number of people responded to the original thread taking Owen's side BECAUSE they've never employed a cleaner and found people insisting it be considered an essential service extremely offensive A number of them actually were cleaners or former cleaners
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
God what the fuck is this argument "Talking about what bosses should do is hugely alienating for workers, who aren't bosses and therefore give a shit about bosses' decisions, including how bosses treat workers Workers want you to leave bosses alone" Fuck, listen to yourself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @halford_rosie and
I'll be generous and suspect you don't get this because class politics works differently in the US. Here we have two middle class leftists debating essentially about the ethics of employing personal servants in their home. Its all about doing this makes them feel.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @arthur_affect and
As someone from a working class background, I can assure you that for most working class people that just sounds like over privileged people self consciously whinging. And when said people claim to be champions of the workers, it's not a good look.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @arthur_affect and
I'm from a working class background and it looked a lot to me like Owen was standing up for working class people by saying it's bad to force them to risk exposure to a deadly virus to come clean someone's home and Sarah was complaining her family don't help her clean.
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To the degree that people are being serious and not just making shit up to dogpile Owen because it's a British national sport it's an amazing form of projection Owen didn't at any point say that you were a bad person for having a cleaner, just that it's a nonessential service
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Replying to @arthur_affect @halford_rosie and
Owen pointedly DID NOT HAVE the feelings-based conversation about whether you're a worthy human being or not if you hire a cleaner that everyone apparently was just itching to have so they could defend themselves against the voices in their heads
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