This is such an incredibly disingenuous, shitty framing, the whole "Silence, class traitor!" stance I don't have a cleaner nor do I work as one but I feel pretty fucking strongly about this issue because I don't want the fucking infection rate to rise
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
A pretty large number of people responded to the original thread taking Owen's side BECAUSE they've never employed a cleaner and found people insisting it be considered an essential service extremely offensive A number of them actually were cleaners or former cleaners
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
God what the fuck is this argument "Talking about what bosses should do is hugely alienating for workers, who aren't bosses and therefore give a shit about bosses' decisions, including how bosses treat workers Workers want you to leave bosses alone" Fuck, listen to yourself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @halford_rosie and
I'll be generous and suspect you don't get this because class politics works differently in the US. Here we have two middle class leftists debating essentially about the ethics of employing personal servants in their home. Its all about doing this makes them feel.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @arthur_affect and
As someone from a working class background, I can assure you that for most working class people that just sounds like over privileged people self consciously whinging. And when said people claim to be champions of the workers, it's not a good look.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @arthur_affect and
Funny , because I saw plenty of people who are working class with plenty to say about this (including myself) because actually putting working class women at risk so people (who are capable of doing the work themselves) can get their toilets scrubbed isn't something we roll our
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Replying to @suzanalou @ClasssicalM and
eyes over . Because it speaks directly to the heart of who matters in our society and who's labour is off value and the hypocrisy in claiming it's feminist to have a cleaner whilst ignoring the risk to said cleaners (who are more likely to be women) .
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Replying to @suzanalou @ClasssicalM and
The idea that it's absolutely fine to ask your cleaner to risk their health whilst you and your family shelter at home is exactly the same sort of crap that gets us Amazon workers urinating in bottles so people can have next day delivery .
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Replying to @suzanalou @arthur_affect and
The problem with the whole OJ/SD spat is that it definitely comes from a position of bourgeois entitlement. He talks about everyone having more time (not everyone does) and about how great his family were. She talks about how she's finding the housework.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @suzanalou and
hard. She (I paraphrase) calls him a sexist git, he calls her some kind of uncaring Gradgrind. Its all about politics as individual ethical performance. Who cares what either of them do personally. It's structures that matter. And that is my last word :-)
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OWEN WAS ARGUING ABOUT STRUCTURES WHEN HE STARTED THE CONVERSATION BY CHALLENGING THE GOVERNMENT'S POLICY ON LIFTING LOCKDOWN JFC
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
Arthur's tlpic.twitter.com/HYHTn1x6mI
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