is hugely alienating for the 80% plus of the population who can't afford to employ one. When its middle class left wing people agonising about that, it makes the average working class person want to do nothing more than go out and vote Tory.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @halford_rosie and
...Except the cleaners, themselves, are human beings who have a stake in this matter, whose interests Owen was defending
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
This is such an incredibly disingenuous, shitty framing, the whole "Silence, class traitor!" stance I don't have a cleaner nor do I work as one but I feel pretty fucking strongly about this issue because I don't want the fucking infection rate to rise
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
A pretty large number of people responded to the original thread taking Owen's side BECAUSE they've never employed a cleaner and found people insisting it be considered an essential service extremely offensive A number of them actually were cleaners or former cleaners
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
God what the fuck is this argument "Talking about what bosses should do is hugely alienating for workers, who aren't bosses and therefore give a shit about bosses' decisions, including how bosses treat workers Workers want you to leave bosses alone" Fuck, listen to yourself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @halford_rosie and
I'll be generous and suspect you don't get this because class politics works differently in the US. Here we have two middle class leftists debating essentially about the ethics of employing personal servants in their home. Its all about doing this makes them feel.
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Replying to @ClasssicalM @halford_rosie and
No, Sarah's argument was about this Owen never said anything at any point about how hiring cleaners "makes you feel", he said that cleaners working during the pandemic was unacceptable and anyone who hires a cleaner is morally obligated to furlough them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ClasssicalM and
Owen's statement is a simple statement about labor rights during the pandemic that should not be controversial Sarah jumped on him out of the blue furious that this was somehow attacking her for being a bad mother
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No, that was IN RESPONSE to her tweet She wasn't included in the original conversation at all, she parachuted in in a fury about the phrase "They've certainly got the time" and immediately started dishing about her personal life with "The cleaning is KILLING me"
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I know the whole way this works is you pretend time doesn't exist and cause and effect doesn't have an order, but it does Literally everything Owen said about Sarah was on direct response to Sarah and was the result of Sarah basically demanding he engage her personal situation
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