There is no "goal", the river doesn't "want" to empty in any particular place And this isn't academic nitpicking because the delusion of telos that underlies eugenics is a very common prejudice that's used to justify real-life discrimination against real-life humans
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Yes, on rare occasions that's exactly what we do. We discriminate against males in order to protect females. The circumstances under which this is acceptable are rare, but they do exist.
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Discriminating men vs women is always a proxy for something else, and you need to make exceptions when you know better than what that proxy tells you. Abusive women shouldn't be allowed into DV shelters, for instance
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I'm not saying anything. I'm trying to establish how far this what I am calling "meatsack principle" extends. What your saying does make some sense on a certain level but I would like to nail down a few things. To understand better.
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Could you *describe* teh “meatsack principle” instead of making weird unclarified hypotheticals with it? Because I can tell you they’re not helping at all.
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I cannot seem to convince people this is what they're doing. Apparently it's wrong to define people unless that definition includes a penis and a vagina.
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So please, let me throw some scenarios out here and if you pro meatsackers could just answer yes or no I would appreciate it. I'm not being an ass even though the scenarios may get wonky. I am just trying to establish boundaries or rules to better understand the argument.
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They’re not useful scenarios unless you make clear what you’re attempting to establish
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A xy meatsack identifies as a german shepherd and insists it needs to go to the bathrokm while being taken on walks. Should xy meatsack be allowed to do it?
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"XY" isn't, by itself, meaningful information. Women with CAIS are XY. Guevedoces girls are XY. Also, "identifies as a german shepherd" is a really nasty transphobic meme and you should avoid using it.
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