Hell, this goes back to Tolkien and LotR (and he was actively trying to not write racism but did it anyway because of the culture permeating his thinking.) But people gotta freak out at any new information.
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Replying to @ChaKatKimber @Smug_Legend
Yep, his orcs were patterned after "the least lovely ... features of the mongol races" by his own admission. Then you have essentially all urban fantasy pigeonholing them as the inner city uneducated underclass, frequently in violent gangs. Hmm. No symbolism THERE.
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He wasn't actually trying that hard, when a film director wanted to make the Orcs less implicitly racist by making them not human at all (having them be bird monsters) he got mad That's where the quote calling Orcs "Mongol-types" comes from, he was actively insisting on it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @HoldenShearer and
They are NOT human dumbass. They never were. They are Humanoid beings like the Elves. Orcs in LotR are mutated elves marred by the Dark God Melkor. That are Tolkien's variation of old world Demonic beings from Faerie stories and myths. Learn some actual history you buffoon.
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Replying to @KHAOSANIMA418 @HoldenShearer and
Tolkien Letter #210, sent June 1958 to Forrest J. Ackerman, re: Morton G. Zimmerman ("Z")'s film proposal for a Lord of the Rings adaptationpic.twitter.com/E16itFbdDu
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Replying to @arthur_affect @HoldenShearer and
What's more any ACTUAL research into Tolkien himself shows he wasn't a racist and that his life and professed beliefs illustrate the exact opposite. All you have this excerpt.
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Replying to @KHAOSANIMA418 @HoldenShearer and
We're not arguing about Tolkien's whole life or how he was as a human being, we're arguing about whether he made up Orcs based on a negative stereotype of Asian people, which he clearly says he did
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Replying to @arthur_affect @HoldenShearer and
Context matters asshat. This single excerpt is all you have to claim that Orcs are a Racist stand in when EVERYTHING ELSE doesn't support this claim. Not his life , not his beliefs , not his inspirations , nor the damn lore itself.
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Replying to @KHAOSANIMA418 @HoldenShearer and
Lol nothing about his life whatsoever says he wasn't racist against Asian people LotR is his weird project to try to create a new essentially British mythology that wasn't polluted by external influences the way the King Arthur legends were
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Replying to @arthur_affect @HoldenShearer and
First off there is nothing to even remotely support it beyond this excerpt. Everything else indicates Tolkien despised Racism in general. And the goal you are proclaim LotR was something Tolkien said he initially wished to do , but he had long since abandoned the idea.
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Even if that were true, people who "despise racism in all its forms" and try not to be racist can still, you know, fuck up But I really doubt this was just fucking up and being racist by accident, or why would he get so pissed off at making Orcs into bird people
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Replying to @arthur_affect @HoldenShearer and
Like if Orcs aren't supposed to be human at all then why does it even matter Of course they can have beaks and feathers, it's a fantasy world with magic, isn't it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @HoldenShearer and
Because it's HIS fiction. Orcs were Former elves , humanoid beings deformed and made evil by a dark god. He got really irritated when people suggested things about his work that were not true , even down to the fact that Balrogs aren't supposed to roar.
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