Under the English common law principle that they probably got it from ("natural born subjects of the Crown") you're equally natural born if it's by jus soli ("right of soil") or jus sanguinis ("right of blood")
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Replying to @arthur_affect @bazzalisk and
Ironically, historically the former has been seen as the more liberal principle and the latter the more restrictive and conservative - and it still is when people bring up the specter of "anchor babies" and the like
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Replying to @arthur_affect @bazzalisk and
The idea that ONLY jus soli can make a person "natural born" is something that was always kind of floating in the air - probably ironically because the 14th Amendment made birthright citizenship such a bedrock principle for civil rights for PoC
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Replying to @arthur_affect @bazzalisk and
They were probably worried about a MacDuff situation, tbh
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
Or, more seriously, an attempt to import a European noble to act as an elective monarch-president rather than a citizen-president, which wouldn't have been impossible.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
Except the Constitution elsewhere forbids anyone with a noble title from holding office
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
True, but the presumptive prince would only then be expected to give up his European titles for an American one.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl and
Of course not all European nobilities allow one to give up titles.
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Replying to @bazzalisk @BootlegGirl and
Yeah, though that's a constitutional crisis we've avoided, anyway. You might have a younger-son candidate too, who wasn't going to get the title even if he was in a noble house.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl and
For the record this sort of thing has happened in the UK fairly often, where an MP has inherited an hereditary title unexpectedly. Since MP’s aren’t allowed to also be Lords.
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Yeah the US hasn't actually adopted the harsher version of the Title of Nobility Clause (no US officeholder is allowed to ever have had a title, or must renounce all titles they hold) because it is create unnecessary headaches
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Replying to @arthur_affect @bazzalisk and
Since officially renouncing a title is a big deal and has all kinds of implications in the countries that give them IIRC the UK doesn't actually have an official procedure for you to unilaterally renounce a knighthood for instance
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Replying to @arthur_affect @bazzalisk and
You can have your knighthood officially stripped due to dishonor but if you just personally say "I'm not a knight anymore" you still officially are one
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