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    Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 18 Apr 2020

    Arthur Chu Retweeted Leah Eff

    Yeah we've all talked about how No True Scotsman defenses aren't helpful with Christianity ("No one involved with the Spanish Inquisition was a REAL Christian") and I don't think it's useful for movements on the left to do it either ("Nor REAL feminists", "Not REAL socialists")https://twitter.com/9BillionTigers/status/1251625258253078528 …

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    Leah Eff @9BillionTigers
    I guess Adrienne Rich, Gloria Steinem, Germaine Greer, Sheila Jeffreys, Redstockings, Mary Daly, Janice Raymond, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Karen Horney, Julie Bindel, Robin Morgan, Ruth Barrett, Jean O'Leary, and Catherine Millot were not feminists then, huh. https://twitter.com/JayHulmePoet/status/1251470681528729600 …
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      2. eggynack‏ @eggynack 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect

        I think the two are at least somewhat different. Christianity operates first as a specific structure of faith, I'd contend, and only secondarily or tertiarily as a philosophy or set of ideals. Even moreso with Scotsmen, people of a region long before they are anything else.

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      3. eggynack‏ @eggynack 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @eggynack @arthur_affect

        Feminism is, by contrast, primarily a political position or philosophy of some kind. What the structure of it is is up for debate, but I think it pretty clear that some ideological positions are somewhere on its outside.

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      1. decoy  🧡‏ @decoy_orange 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect

        Policing identity is just such a doomed task. Everyone has different definitions. And it's not like I'm going to let you define me anyway. Let people self identify and sort them a different way.

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      2. Catriona Faolain  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @OneWeirdAngel 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect @AnaMardoll

        That's definitely a thing. I'm far more concerned with a media that's eager to meet their demands to be treated as the *only* feminists than I am with whether they're "really" feminist or not.

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      3. Catriona Faolain  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @OneWeirdAngel 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @OneWeirdAngel @arthur_affect @AnaMardoll

        The whole framing of "trans activists vs. feminists" is precisely because some TERF said that trans people and allies aren't "really" feminists, and what benefit, exactly, is there to saying "no u"?

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      1. This place is not a place of honor.‏ @ComradeGorbash 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect

        I kind of feel like this case is a less a No True Scotsman as it is a callout on Jay's part - a demand that feminists do better and recognize their own hypocrisy rather than saying none of them were/are transphobic. Leah's point is also entirely correct though.

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      2. Queer of Swords‏ @sextoyspolitics 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect

        It seemed pretty clear from the context of Jay's tweet that he was referring to the inherent contradictions between transphobia and the basic tenets of feminism - not necessarily saying that it's invalid to refer to any transphobes as feminists. I could be wrong, ofc

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      3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 18 Apr 2020
        Replying to @sextoyspolitics

        Yeah and Leah is taking the position that this lets "feminism" as an institution off the hook in an unhelpful way, and I tend to agree with her on most things

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      1. Leah Eff‏ @9BillionTigers 19 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect

        In the future I'd take care before making comparisons like this simply in that Christianity is a cultural dominant and feminism is not, except perhaps in its most venal possible form. Just practically this completely changes the role of gatekeeping imo.

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      2. mommy queerest‏ @PanicMixi 19 Apr 2020
        Replying to @arthur_affect

        YES THANK YOU. I am constantly saying this. TERFs are garbage but it’s a cop out to claim they’re “not feminists”. It is quite erasive of the history of transphobia running through various feminist movements.

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      3. mommy queerest‏ @PanicMixi 19 Apr 2020
        Replying to @PanicMixi @arthur_affect

        There are also plenty of non-TERF feminists that are transphobic

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