Right, exactly, it's not thought of as a need to obey the actual physical laws of nature, it's thought of as a bargain, a negotiation, like you can earn "points" somehow and be allowed a little exposure risk as a treat
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Replying to @arthur_affect @lawnerdbarak
Yeah - and to be fair, there's some extent where we do have to figure out the negotiation: do restaurants stay open for take out? Do dry cleaners and laundromats stay open? Etc. But there's a cost for it.
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And I'm even sympathetic to the idea that religious events are so important, we should be willing to think about what the right balance point is there, not least because of the ways in which it handles people's stress. But not based on "you can't get sick in church"
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Replying to @mssilverstein @lawnerdbarak
Okay see what I think is really at issue is the belief that the world is in some fundamental way fair and apportions consequences based on moral responsibility This is generally bullshit even at the best of times but the way this particular virus works especially doesn't fit
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Libertarians LOVE to say shit about "If I take the risk upon myself it's none of your business" But unless you move to an empty island tomorrow by yourself, you CANNOT take the risk of infectious disease upon yourself alone You ALWAYS spread it around to others
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Unfortunately we do not live in a science fiction universe where we're surrounded by personal force fields and all contact with other people's germs is consensual and voluntary If we did then none of this would be an issue in the first place
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But everyone saying "I'd rather take some small risk of an earlier death just to live a little again" aren't really bearing the risk themselves They're piling it on others, ESPECIALLY frontline retail employees who have no choice but to interact with them
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The odds are that "relaxed" social distancing with people going out to the beach etc means NONE of the people who actually did it will even get sick, but the rate of retail workers getting sick will spike upwards sharply
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Which will lead to a bunch of elderly people in your neighborhood getting sick from them, and dying, and possibly filling up the ER and killing other little AND YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS YOU WHO BROUGHT THE VIRUS IN THE DAY IT STARTED You will NEVER know
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It's this world of distributed, invisible responsibility that humans are generally bad at dealing with and libertarians are proudly, defiantly, willfully stupid about Stuck in Kohlberg's early stages of moral development, "If I did something wrong, show me the harm"
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"Oh, you can't point to exactly what I did and when I did it and prove it to a jury in court? Then I did nothing wrong The fact that my actions have only increased my net worth proves I have only benefited society, because anything that can't be measured isn't real"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein
(PS courts are actually more flexible than that, which is why FedSoc and the GOP are trying to corrupt and dismantle them)
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I stg I have never met a libertarian who wasn't the textbook example of a mediocre white man. Everyone else sees the problem immediately.
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