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    1. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

      It's not about the existence of a middleman it's about the existence of an additional license created from thin air nobody negotiated

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    2. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

      But that is the crux of my concern over the authors guild's arguments. Remember, their position is not that IA is over lending, but that it is lending at all, despite being a middleware partner for several libraries.

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    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

      No, their position is over the UNILATERAL LICENSE, of lending WITHOUT FURTHER COMPENSATION FOR THE AUTHOR

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

      Quoting the Authors Guild: IA has no rights whatsoever to these books

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    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

      Yes, because they didn't pay for them Their position is that buying a physical copy gives you no digital distribution rights whatsoever, which is completely fair (copyright case law has ALWAYS regarded transferring from one medium to another as legally significant)

      1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
    6. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

      But the libraries which IA is handling ebook distributor for did. Plus IA has a large collection of PD and CC works. You agree that yes, IA can distribute those, yes?

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    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

      Yes, and the Authors Guild isn't talking about that, they're talking about the Open Library system, which throws up scans of physical books *without checking* if those books are public domain, orphaned works, if the authors agree to it, etc based on the CDL logic

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    8. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

      But the AG does not say that. I am going by what the AG is saying, which is a blanket statement which, if is accepted, would hurt many groups far beyond IA, namely libraries. Which is my original point.

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

      They're saying the IA has no rights to the books that the IA does not, in fact, have rights to, not that it's IMPOSSIBLE to GET rights to the books by having the author agree to it

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    10. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

      That is not what they said. The exact words were no rights whatsoever, no qualifying over one book from another. But, they do have some rights, even if not the ones IA claims.

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
      Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

      "These" is a pronoun, what do you think the antecedent of "these" in "They have no rights to these books" is

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        2. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

          As it was referring to their NEL program, it would be safe to say those books. Now, those books are a mixture of library e-books and the scanned material made under their CDL argument. Some of the material includes books long in the public domain as well.

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        3. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
          Replying to @downix @arthur_affect and

          I would say if the AG had qualified their statement, much of my concern would be gone.

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        2. Nathaniel Downes‏ @downix 30 Mar 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @soc_lee @neilhimself

          Do you understand my concern at least?

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        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 30 Mar 2020
          Replying to @downix @soc_lee @neilhimself

          I understand it and I think slippery slope arguments remain a fallacy

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