I have *not* conflated intersex people with trans people. I said that there are intersex people who are trans. That is a fact. Pretending trans intersex people don't exist, cuz it messes up your DNA=truth hypothesis, helps nobody -especially not intersex people.
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Replying to @MadAlice10_6_2 @fletcherkathy8 and
I'm saying that intersex people's situation is distinctly different to trans people in general, and shouldn't be appropriated. HT for XX male syndrome at puberty, for e.g., is not the same as HT for a TM. It is a response to an underlying biological condition. Do better
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Replying to @unwitod @fletcherkathy8 and
I'm not appropriating anything. I'm saying some trans people are intersex. HT for a trans De la Chapelle individual will, of course, be different than for a non-trans one, but that does not mean that the trans individual isn't trans *and* intersex. Cuz they are.
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Replying to @MadAlice10_6_2 @fletcherkathy8 and
You are. Intersex people are not a subset of trans people; their challenges are not trans people's in general. Varied intersex conditions require important accommodations from society, but these don't automatically map over onto all trans people. They're not your pawns.
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Replying to @unwitod @fletcherkathy8 and
I'm not disagreeing with you on this. Yes, most intersex people aren't trans. And being intersex is a *completely different* paradigm, that requires its own advocacy and activism. Like the end of genital mutilations on infants. I'm saying sometimes the situations intersect.
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Replying to @MadAlice10_6_2 @unwitod and
And the fact they *do* intersect, diminishes the "DNA as truth" thing that started this discussion in the first place.
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Replying to @MadAlice10_6_2 @fletcherkathy8 and
Understanding and diagnosing intersex conditions precisely requires accepting the difference between outward appearance and underlying biology you absolute fool.
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Replying to @unwitod @MadAlice10_6_2 and
The idea that there's one specific "target" for intersex treatment - there's a "normal" dyadic body they would've had if not for their "disorder" and your goal is to "restore" functioning as close to that body as possible - serves some people very well and they're defensive of it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @unwitod and
But for other people it's horrible and causes them immense suffering
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Replying to @arthur_affect @unwitod and
Transgender is not an intersex condition. The right of intersex people *not* to have their bodies modified without their consent to some stereotypical “ideal” is not the same as transgender demands to have their body modified to a stereotypical “ideal” of the opposite sex.
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Do you think an intersex cis person has the right to body-modifying, non-lifesaving treatment if they *do* want it? Does a cis man with low T have the right to supplements if he thinks that will make his life better? Or is that also upholding a toxic ideal
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