I disagree? The centrist party line is, as ever, "let's work with our good friends, the Republicans", and the Republicans are now baldfaced Nazis
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
Yeah, but that's equally substance-less. They were just subtler Nazis 12 years ago anyway, there was nothing else they wanted.
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Replying to @mssilverstein
Okay help me out because it's not clear to me what you mean?
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
Compromising with the Republicans in 2009 wouldn't have different policy outcomes than in 2021. They're just going to reject any proposed compromises anyway.
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But the starting points here are a bit to the left. In part, it's that 2008 was a lot grimmer and longer ago than we remember. Obama '08 was officially against gay marriage, and for a much lower minimum wage.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Nymphomachy
Looking back - Nader's 08 campaign - not even Obama's - was only advocating for a $10/hour minimum wage.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Nymphomachy
Biden has no substantive policy opinions anyway, though. So it'll be very much about who he hires.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Nymphomachy
In terms of healthcare policy, anyway, by definition Biden is running "to the left of Obama" because at a bare minimum he wants to preserve Obamacare and "expand" on it
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(One thing people misremember about 08 is Obama was always a centrist on healthcare, in the debates he explicitly took single-payer off the table, not because he thought Republicans would block him but because he didn't believe in it)
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Indeed, Hillary was the one who wanted to center healthcare as an issue, he didn't, and her plan was the one with the public option, which he always waffled on as possibly going too far
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The scuttlebutt was that putting healthcare at the top of the agenda was her demand in return for accepting the Secretary of State position and presenting a unified front against McCain
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The frustrating thing about relitigating 2008 in 2016 is that I have no argument with the people who hate Hillary's foreign policy and think if she'd won in 08 we'd have stayed in Iraq a lot longer etc But Hillarycare very likely would've been better than Obamacare
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(Healthcare was kind of a personal chip on her shoulder for HRC, she had something to prove ever since "Hillarycare" in 1993 became this big Republican talking point)
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