Okay, then I will also say that I'm not supporting taking us down the path to eugenics and forced sterilization. I don't suppose you know which kind of economic system innovated those practices
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Replying to @TJFlamson @BootlegGirl and
I'm saying that whether you frame it as "capitalist" or "socialist" plenty of people have reasons to be wary of any ideology or tendency that valorizes work above all else and emphasizes "a man is entitled to the sweat of his own brow"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @TJFlamson and
When people point to the Khmer Rouge and go "Well they may have fervently believed they were communists but their actions ended up being reactionary in practice" I'm like... Yeah That happens
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
But also, it wasn't communism that made them reactionary. Their reactionary practices were innovated by capitalism. So what you're saying is not a valid critique of medicare 4 all
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Replying to @TJFlamson @arthur_affect and
"Deep organic social issues are the fault of the bourgeois and capitalism" looks very similar to reactionary logic
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Replying to @LizardOrman @arthur_affect and
(My point is merely that he's trying to lay eugenics at the feet of socialism when that is woefully historically inaccurate)
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Replying to @TJFlamson @LizardOrman and
This is stupid, it doesn't matter who "innovated" this or that, people and the political parties they belong to are responsible for their own actions
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
It matters that you're acting like it's only socialist regimes that have ever engaged in eugenics or forced sterilization. C'mon man, I know you're upset Bernie did well in the debate, but this is a bush league mistake
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Replying to @TJFlamson @LizardOrman and
So is the Khmer Rouge famous because the things they did were, in fact, on balance somewhat worse than the Khmer Republic they replaced and somewhat worse than average than the general bad things that happen in our fallen world
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
No, the Khmer Rouge is famous because they were horrendous, and represent a kind of psychotic spiral into terror not seen since Muenster. But I'm not voting for them; I'm voting for someone who wants to tax the wealthy something close to their fair share. Scary, I know.
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We're not talking about who's voting for whom in the election We're talking about a certain set of ideological biases people in certain political circles hold that, while they usually do not lead to mass murder, some of us still find generally troubling and distasteful
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Replying to @arthur_affect @LizardOrman and
What are you saying, though? Are you opposed to socialism as an ideology because of those occasions, or are you just cautioning we keep an eye out for them. Because I'm 100% with you on the latter, while the former is intellectually dishonest
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Replying to @TJFlamson @LizardOrman and
I don't really care much about "socialism" the word one way or another, I think of myself as broadly speaking on "the left" but like Orwell in his time I've become deeply kneejerk suspicious of ideology and theory
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