I suppose one could argue that this would technically not be "working class," but I think the interests of non-wealthy disabled people align a hell of a lot more with the working class than the owning class. I'd be happy to say "proletariat" instead, if that's more inclusive
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Replying to @TJFlamson @LizardOrman and
You pretty much have to be wealthy in the current society to live decently with certain conditions. Look at the quality of wheelchairs poor disabled people have to use. Should we reappropriate those from disabled people with inherited wealth For Equality?
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @LizardOrman and
No, we reappropriate the wealth from billionaires and use it to get everyone who needs one a decent wheelchair. And not for "equality," for MORALITY
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Replying to @TJFlamson @LizardOrman and
I'd like to believe that's how it would go, but...
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @LizardOrman and
I think you're raising the concern that socialism will get all eugenics-y with disabled people. I can only say that we're over here talking about Denmark-style social democracy, not the Khmer Rouge, and working together to help people is the ENTIRE point
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Replying to @TJFlamson @BootlegGirl and
Okay well let's be blunt here if you yourself who knows what "socialism" means keep saying "socialism" but then turn around and say to only realistically expect "Nordic-style social democracy" then somebody is being lied to
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
Is it a lie to say "I believe in socialism. I also believe the kind of fundamental economic change that will require is a multigenerational project, and for now we can have little a social democracy, as a treat"? Also, are YOU saying that socialism=khmer rouge?
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Replying to @TJFlamson @BootlegGirl and
Well, it kind of is a lie, actually, yes When someone says "I don't like the path I think you're going down", it's not actually an answer to say "But it will take us a long time to get there!"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
Okay, then I will also say that I'm not supporting taking us down the path to eugenics and forced sterilization. I don't suppose you know which kind of economic system innovated those practices
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Replying to @TJFlamson @BootlegGirl and
I'm saying that whether you frame it as "capitalist" or "socialist" plenty of people have reasons to be wary of any ideology or tendency that valorizes work above all else and emphasizes "a man is entitled to the sweat of his own brow"
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When people point to the Khmer Rouge and go "Well they may have fervently believed they were communists but their actions ended up being reactionary in practice" I'm like... Yeah That happens
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
But also, it wasn't communism that made them reactionary. Their reactionary practices were innovated by capitalism. So what you're saying is not a valid critique of medicare 4 all
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Replying to @TJFlamson @arthur_affect and
"Deep organic social issues are the fault of the bourgeois and capitalism" looks very similar to reactionary logic
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