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    1. Jason Stanley‏ @jasonintrator 16 Feb 2020

      History professor to my partner: many conservatives are not fascists, but partner with fascists because it serves their goals, and so joined for example the Nazi Party for pragmatic rather than ideological reasons. My partner: if you are in the Nazi Party, aren't you a fascist?

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    2. Benson Cheung‏ @Projekt_A119 16 Feb 2020
      Replying to @jasonintrator

      That said, your partner's logic (membership=true believer) sounds like Paul Bremer's logic for de-baathification. The history prof is right in an empirical sense for post-1933 NSDAP; your partner's right in a moral sense, in that bandwagoners functionally aid and abet fascism.

      4 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
    3. bean‏ @christapeterso 16 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Projekt_A119 @jasonintrator

      It’s not membership=true believer, it’s that being a fascist is not just a matter of what your deepest truest beliefs, supporting and joining fascist movements makes you a fascist

      3 replies 1 retweet 73 likes
    4. Benson Cheung‏ @Projekt_A119 16 Feb 2020
      Replying to @christapeterso @jasonintrator

      From a consequentialist view, sure; everything a pragmatic/careerist party member is morally and functionally identical in awfulness to true believers. I just think it's useful to distinguish diff motivations and degrees of ideological commitment to understand why people join

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    5. Rachel‏ @rachelpowers 16 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Projekt_A119 @christapeterso @jasonintrator

      I think it’s important to understand the nuances of commitment, if only to illuminate how horrible regimes create buy-in, and how we can break that process down. But I’m also a bit of a moral absolutist: If you become a Nazi for “merely” pragmatic reasons, you’re still a Nazi.

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 16 Feb 2020
      Replying to @rachelpowers @Projekt_A119 and

      It's also a practical matter The presumption that people who aren't true believers are somehow safer or more trustworthy than "ideological" Nazis has often proven dangerously false

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        2. Rachel‏ @rachelpowers 16 Feb 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Projekt_A119 and

          Exactly. That’s why I’m not particularly interested in individual motivations. Hitler didn’t *really* need his small cadre of brilliant true believers to take over Germany. He just needed every German citizen to shrug and say, “Well, they throw nice mixers. Sure, I’ll join.”

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        3. Benson Cheung‏ @Projekt_A119 16 Feb 2020
          Replying to @rachelpowers @arthur_affect and

          Yeah, as Ian Kershaw said "the road to Auschwitz was built by hate, but paved with indifference".

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        1. Benson Cheung‏ @Projekt_A119 16 Feb 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @rachelpowers and

          Yeah I agree w/ you, especially during fascists' upward trajectory. I assumed from the anecdote's context that the historian was talking about during the regime years; that's when the question of careerist bandwagoning gets far more complex than membership=belief (like Iraq 2003)

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