Like, “if your direct superior tells you to waste the villain, put one in his dome and take command” is a doctrine. The military tells you how to identify an illegal order and then gives you a shruggie emogie
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Sort of betraying its view of soldiers as hardware, right? Like we're supposed to just say "you cannot put forward slashes in a file name" and fall over limp the second they tell us to commit genocide
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @lawnerdbarak
One of my fav movies a lot of people slept on is Crimson Tide, where this plays a major role in the plot Denzel is of course correct that the reg saying the CO cannot order a nuclear launch without concurrence from his XO and the master weapons officer exists for a reason
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They put the reg saying that in there because nukes are serious business and it's not a mere formality, if all three officers do not concur there is no launch, it's very clear on that It just doesn't say what happens AFTER that
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Like, in theory the CO can just relieve the other two of their position and put new people in place who do concur That's the point of being CO Except that that does reduce the reg to a formality and it's not supposed to be that
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Conversely, the XO can say the CO attempting to relieve him of his office is obviously an attempt to circumvent this regulation Which makes it an unlawful order, even if the initial order to launch was not Which means he can relieve the CO of command and order his arrest
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From a legalistic standpoint, either POV makes sense and can be defended From a practical standpoint, the fact that the Navy provided no clear guidance other than "Work it out among yourselves" re: NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS is very very bad
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Compounded by the fact that when you're trapped on a submarine the legalities are an academic affair for later investigators and who's actually right as a practical matter is determined by the consensus of a bunch of terrified and confused sailors
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(Hence that scary intense speech Denzel gives Viggo, telling him that as the Master Weapons Officer who physically wears the key to the launch panel around his neck, he may be only an LT in the surface world but right now he's the highest ranking person on the boat č
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(Possibly the highest ranking person in the world)
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"They worked so hard to train you into thinking you don't have a choice but YOU HAVE A CHOICE YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE"
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(The US Navy got peeved about Crimson Tide and had someone say no such breakdown of the chain of command could possibly occur on a real US nuclear attack sub Since the breakdown of the chain of command in the movie saves the world, I'm not sure this is actually reassuring)
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(Crimson Tide is loosely based on a real event that happened on a Soviet sub during the Cuban Missile Crisis, as was the much less successful movie K-19: Widowmaker The equivalent of Denzel's character, Commander Vasily Arkhipov, was in fact treated as a mutineer and pariah)
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