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    1. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 8 Feb 2020

      Vapor Weyve Retweeted Arthur Chu

      Much like with sexual assault prevention training, the whole "you are legally obligated NOT to follow an unlawful order" training is almost entirely performative Because it's obvious that you will ALWAYS be wrong about what is unlawful and ALWAYS be retaliated upon for askinghttps://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1226217161816805376 …

      Vapor Weyve added,

      Arthur ChuVerified account @arthur_affect
      Yeah there's a whole conversation about how the basic point of the whole concept of military discipline is to train you NOT to second guess the orders you get because lives depend on everyone doing as they're told Which makes the "exception" for illegal orders a problem https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1226212529170456576 …
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    2. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 8 Feb 2020

      There's this mentality that if you're asked to commit a war crime by your NCO then you can just go up the chain of command and prove he broke the law But what'll probably happen is that they'll say you don't know anything about war crimes because you're an uneducated grunt

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    3. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 8 Feb 2020

      The fact of the matter is that with higher rank comes a deeper understanding of the systems at work in the military, and on paper that means people of rank are meant to be "advisors" to the lower ranks, but in practice it just means they know the rules of the game and you don't

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    4. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 8 Feb 2020

      So no, you can't go up against somebody who outranks you without, at best, turning it into a suicide bombing. It will ALWAYS catch up with you, sooner or later. The moment you take a stand, your career catches a prion disease. And no, anonymous reporting will not save you.

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    5. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 8 Feb 2020

      Vapor Weyve Retweeted (((Barak)))

      This. The military spends a monumental amount of effort on shrouding its Morton's Forks.https://twitter.com/lawnerdbarak/status/1226229409054588933 …

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      (((Barak))) @lawnerdbarak
      Replying to @Nymphomachy
      There is straight up no instruction on follow up, either. “If your CO tells you to waste the whole village, you should… pretend he didn’t say anything. Hugh Thompson was cool tho.” That’s no doctrine—just an announcement that you’re fucked AND we’ll blame you either way after
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    6. (((Barak)))‏ @lawnerdbarak 8 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy

      Like, “if your direct superior tells you to waste the villain, put one in his dome and take command” is a doctrine. The military tells you how to identify an illegal order and then gives you a shruggie emogie

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 8 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lawnerdbarak

      Sort of betraying its view of soldiers as hardware, right? Like we're supposed to just say "you cannot put forward slashes in a file name" and fall over limp the second they tell us to commit genocide

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    8. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 8 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy @lawnerdbarak

      One of my fav movies a lot of people slept on is Crimson Tide, where this plays a major role in the plot Denzel is of course correct that the reg saying the CO cannot order a nuclear launch without concurrence from his XO and the master weapons officer exists for a reason

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 8 Feb 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @lawnerdbarak

      They put the reg saying that in there because nukes are serious business and it's not a mere formality, if all three officers do not concur there is no launch, it's very clear on that It just doesn't say what happens AFTER that

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 8 Feb 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @lawnerdbarak

      Like, in theory the CO can just relieve the other two of their position and put new people in place who do concur That's the point of being CO Except that that does reduce the reg to a formality and it's not supposed to be that

      12:44 PM - 8 Feb 2020
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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 8 Feb 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @lawnerdbarak

          Conversely, the XO can say the CO attempting to relieve him of his office is obviously an attempt to circumvent this regulation Which makes it an unlawful order, even if the initial order to launch was not Which means he can relieve the CO of command and order his arrest

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        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 8 Feb 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @lawnerdbarak

          From a legalistic standpoint, either POV makes sense and can be defended From a practical standpoint, the fact that the Navy provided no clear guidance other than "Work it out among yourselves" re: NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS is very very bad

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