Okay look fuck it I'm tweeting this with the names in it: If you actually listen to the hour long tape of Amber Heard and Johnny Depp's "counseling session" or read the transcript, it is very difficult to come away with the impression of him being the abuser, or "mutual abuse"
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Replying to @arthur_affect
Any abuse victim can look at Depp and see he's an abuser. He evokes a fear deep within me.
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Replying to @funwithputin @arthur_affect
He gives me some vibes too but that isn't proof he was abusive with Heard. I think the most probable is that he abused her emotionally which provoked violence. I've been in that spot. Sometimes male abusers find it entertaining to push you to that point...
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It could be, sure, but that hypothesis makes me really uncomfortable Their hour-long conversation doesn't specify what exactly "provokes" her outbursts but it seems to broadly be "neglect" ("You always split, you walk away, you never stay to fight for the relationship")
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And I find the idea that this constitutes a valid provocation for physical violence really upsetting The specific "I was not punching you, I was hitting you" incident seems to have been caused by him visiting a friend late into the night without texting her where he was
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And yeah, that may be asshole behavior but it's not grounds to attack someone under any circumstances And it's obviously behavior that's only going to get worse if someone starts to be afraid of interacting with you
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Ugh I don't want to be the one saying it What Heard says is true, men are generally stronger than women, it's difficult for a woman to seriously threaten a man's safety, so it's not the same thing But Heard's "I need to feel safe, that you won't leave me" sounds so bad to me
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To the point where if it was a tape of a man saying that to a woman - "I can't feel safe knowing that whenever I'm upset with you you'll just bail" - I think it'd be unanimous that this was a bright red flag
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For me it's the fact she can't promise to not be physical again....my abuser would always promise they wouldn't do it again...only to do it again. She felt safe enought to say that on tape. Let that sink in, on tape she felt ok to say she can't promise not to be physical again.
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Right, and it's really bad for her case, it's really clearly NOT her saying "If you get physical with me I have to respond"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @JaneHegemon and
Time will test how much you care about each other. It’ll give one of you cancer or let your mutually beloved bet out to get run over by a car. The partner who insists that you “fight ME for ME” is not a great person, and demanding a partner “stand and fight” is just so awful.
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