I mean you can't just crumple up the paradox of tolerance and throw it away The paradox of intolerance is just as bad - great, as soon as someone says anything evil they should get two in the back of the head Now who gets to decide what counts as evil
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
The reason I don't believe in Um-Helat isn't just that I don't believe a system run by secret police stamping out thoughtcrime is unstable, although I do think that It's that I don't buy such a system would've been set up by the good guys in the first place
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How did they breed out selfishness - the original sin of "seeing others as less than human" - but be simultaneously create a caste of police who summarily execute people Those two things don't go together
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
The thing is it reads as science fiction pessimism of a school I'm really fine with but it rubs me the wrong way to not see it treated as pessimism
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
Tiptree's Houston, Houston, Do You Read is a chillingly effective story about utopia being created by a plague that kills everyone with a Y chromosome
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But it only works because it knows its premise is objectively horrifying and its whole POV is from the viewpoint of the one man who comes through the portal and gets euthanized at the end despite constantly trying to be a good guy, because he's infected
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Replying to @adrienneleigh @Nymphomachy
It's not horrifying because half of the world's population dying of a plague is inherently horrifying?
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Also no, I don't read Tiptree as having an uncomplicatedly triumphal radfem POV in this story As evidenced by her attachment to her male Tiptree persona irl She finds the caricatured feminine utopia the plague creates as alienating as the narrator does
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No, the horror of creating a utopia by just straight up murdering all the people infected with "toxic" behaviors is still horrifying no matter what
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But why? From the perspective of the people in that world, the effect is the same. One of my favorite stories is The Last of the Winnebagos. About a plague that kills off dogs and people start keeping coyotes and things instead. There is no utopia in bereavement.
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