I'm here to redeem a Kylo Ren, it says I get one (1) free milkshake
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect
Right? That's the usage. Or like, turning in old cans or something: they're being redeemed, purchased back, from you.
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The old religious usage is generally about Jesus reclaiming your soul from hell; there are Old Testament usages too, buying you out of suffering, or slavery, or death. The point is, though, that you can't redeem yourself!
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl
Well, there are stories of slaves buying themselves out of slavery, though this requires a certain amount of chicanery and/or largesse from the owner (since technically as a slave everything you own is your owner's anyway)
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In the case of American chattel slavery where slaves were uniquely disenfranchised this was usually a matter of being able to own your own skilled labor that can't be directly coerced You can force someone to pick crops every day on pain of torture, not so much do bookkeeping
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Yeah, it's not *precisely* true that you don't/can't redeem yourself, and there were prisoners who ransomed themselves, but at least, it has that transactional element. Someone needs to pay the price.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl
Yeah this is where Christians come in and talk about how no one can avoid going to Hell without Christ's sacrifice
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein
Which is a perspective that IMO can only be made sense of heretically by arguing that either Christ is still in Hell, or else he at the very least experienced an infinity of pain when he went there, otherwise it just doesn't add up
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @mssilverstein
Time works differently in the afterlife, Jeremy Bearimy
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
It also seems like there's quite a good deal of doctrinal conflict around it
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Yeah the Protestants and Catholics are divided on whether the line "He descended into hell" belongs in the Creed
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Yeah, and even given that, the nitty-gritty of the events and its meaning have been hotly contested.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl
The usual interpretation is that a truly innocent sacrifice destroys the system, Hell cannot tolerate having a sinless soul inside it by its nature, but the order and nature of events is hotly contested
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