In any case though, all of you, including some folks who I actually like and agree with,need to remember that most mental illnesses do not affect someone's ability to perceive objective reality and you're being incredibly inaccurate and bigoted when you conflate MI w delusion
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I hate your candidate because people like the people harassing me now have harassed me in the past, and I subscribe to political theories that you don't think are true (I strongly deemphasize class analysis and think it can be harmful).
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That's an interesting take, and I totally respect that you're dealing with the worst of a candidates followers. :/ I'd like to know more about your thoughts on class and income inequality, if you're willing.
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I mean, it boils down to a decade (since starting grad school, when I met my first in the flesh Marxist materialist) hearing arguments about how The Workers should always take priority over people with identities. Sometimes from people who are throwing themselves under the bus
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I just can't see a conversation about class and not think it'd be better addressed with policies that cover racism, disability, anti-LGBT sentiment, etc., which are demonstrably among the largest drivers of unemployment and inequality anyway
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if i may pipe up: i think there is a "billionaire class" and that we can't really make a lot of social headway without somehow disempowering those people- if for no other reason, then because they aid and abet bigotry in order to stay billionaires
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If disempowering billionaires does something to help people marginalized for their identities and it's the best way to do that, I'm not against it. I do think there's a logical flaw in the billionaire obsession though
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By the premises everyone in this convo except some of the billionaires agrees with 1) billionaires have so much money that they will never have to worry about a market downswing or about needing to get more to live more than comfortably anywhere in the world & leave inheritance >
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Given this how do you square the following claim: everything bad that happens stems from billionaires trying to make a bit more money or stop a decline in the value of one of their holdings or whatever? We've already established everything is pocket change to them
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I frankly believe that bigotry is the primary force in politics, that it has nothing to do with money, and that it arises from a desire of parents to have complete control over their children through adulthood and into death.
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The "profit motive" is more complicated than that and one of the first steps in Marxist theory is establishing that it doesn't in fact depend on individual billionaires wanting to get personally richer (although this makes it much less of a good vs evil thing than people think)
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Yeah, but that's sort of my concern: Marx was writing at a time where what we think of as billionaires didn't exist. And I suspect doctrinaire Marxists today are along those more hostile to the top 1-2%. Which is concerning even as someone in the bottom half of the pile >
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Because I have absolutely seen the conversation where socialists go from "abolish billionaires" to "abolish millionaires" to "abolish people who were 'rich' enough to pay the literal cheapest sex reassignment surgeon in the world to 'chop their dick off," the pervert"
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