The funny thing is the dunks on astrology are ancient too and have just been ignored by astrologers back then as well as now St. Augustine was the one who asked how identical twins, who have by definition identical natal charts, can live completely different lives https://twitter.com/SoulOBrass/status/1224791598980042754 …
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Ironically it would be quite a bit more plausible if they agreed that celestial bodies have *nothing* to do with it. Just a simple "You were born at this time and it will affect your life path because of destiny and/or the accrued effects of birth time"
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When you push them that is what they say - it's not that the physical planet Mars has any kind of gravitational physical effect on you, it's just that certain times have certain meanings and the movement of Mars in the sky marks that passage of time
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