TGP's fantasy is something they can only gesture at in broad strokes, and it's the exact fantasy that Bojack dumped cold water on in its penultimate episode Like Chidi says, the Good *Place* is misnamed, it's not a matter of space but time
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Shur's thesis is something that every self-justifying has person has grasped at I didn't have a chance, I didn't have enough time, give me another ten years to work on it, I'll get better And it's an appealing fantasy but one that you know is appealing because it's bullshit
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Bojack just is who he is, the good and the bad, and the only way to stop being who he is is to stop being completely, and that fact is also both good and bad, but mainly it's just inevitable
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This feels like the exact opposite extreme, a position of pure misanthropic nihilism which is both useless and not imo terribly tenable. "People never change" feels empty and self justifying too.
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People... *can* change, but they usually don't, and whether they do is usually not dependent on some great act of will
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
But yes, TGP is obviously a "healthier" show to educate your kids with than Bojack Horseman Hell I'd even say that the ending of BH, which I thought was very good, should come with a million content warnings for suicidal ideation
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I mean, bluntly? What fuels a lot of the core burnout far right people IS the idea that you can't really change, you can only be you.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Like I'm obviously nor one of those saccharine people who think Hopepunk Will Change the World - but if you ask me a lot of what's driving our current death spiral into reactionary populist hell is the decadent cynicism of the 90s and 00s.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and
Where caring about things or people was for squares and liars; REAL people embrace their shittiness!
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Bojack Horseman really isn't like that at all The core problem driving all its action is that Bojack cannot be happy "just being himself", he finds being himself intolerable
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Like I just told you, the downer ending is because when he's actually forced to a fully honest accounting of who he is and what he's done his response is to kill himself
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
Which he survives... and the show ultimately ends on an open-ended night. After six seasons, BoJack has enough glimmers of hope he might actually pull through as a person or fall back into the same patterns that drove away those he cared about.
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Replying to @fiddlersgreen92 @arthur_affect and
The episode has BoJack oscillate between introspective and thoughtful... and egotistically preening for media attention. Ultimately, BoJack may or may not *change* as a person at all, and he's already had all this time, all these many chances. We just have to take it on faith
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