Like yeah you can take the fact that both shows have absurdist themes and say that two characters conclude that since there is no objective meaning to the universe, you should just get drunk to ignore that. But HG comes v much in a context of fiction about making sense of a...
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Replying to @Rois_Kenny @arthur_affect
...universe which has no objective truth, where horrifying crimes can be committed by everyday people, and attempts to find objective meaning in a meaningless universe. R&M is more edgy "nothing matters, idiot" that I don't think is the same.
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Replying to @Rois_Kenny
All I can say is I think this take oversells HHGG and undersells R&M Rick and Morty as a whole really isn't "Nothing matters, idiot" as a message, and the moments of cruel sadomasochistic nihilism are right there in HHGG too
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Replying to @arthur_affect
In particular, and I say this as someone with great affection for HHGG, I think you're overselling the original radio series as having much more of a grand plan behind it as opposed to being wacky cynical humor Adams was making up by the seat of his pants
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Replying to @arthur_affect
hhgttg never relied on constant gross out humour so its way better, hhgttg would never decide to spend 5 mins having dragons talking about fucking each other. r&m suffers from people thinking its smarter then it is becuase it had a science element and did a couple clever things
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Replying to @GraemePeacock @arthur_affect
early on. its got some geuinely good moments that they just seem hell bent on forgetting to carry on with, like the robot morty part and would rather swear and then fart. it relies to much on being all ‘fuck it i’m so smart’ to be even close to hhgttg.
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Replying to @GraemePeacock @arthur_affect
and i agree with Róisín that hhgttg has a lot more depth to it about well anything. it has an undercurrent of overall story/narritive/universe building that r&m just like ‘fuck it’ about and could never become a beloved 40yo piece of work.
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Replying to @GraemePeacock @arthur_affect
I think my feelings are bc I'm also a big fan of Rick and Morty because I do think it has moments of bring genuinely really funny and interesting. But a lot of the central philosophy of it is, intentionally or not, geared towards validating a bunch of dickheads.
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I just get so sick of Dan Harmon acting shocked when people idolise his anti hero. Like you make him outwit every adversary, he spends his time taking drugs and fucking beautiful women, but sometimes he says "I have depression" and yr surprised lonely internet boys idolise him?
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Hitchhikers guide doesn't have the same thing of people being dicks in their attempts to emulate Ford Prefect. Maybe it'd be different if it was made now but I'm not sure it would.
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Ford and Zaphod absolutely are a counterculture thing about validating being drunk and shitty all the time and I really think if there's a "toxicity differential" here it's mainly about HHGG not getting that much penetration outside nerd circles back then
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