All I can say is I think this take oversells HHGG and undersells R&M Rick and Morty as a whole really isn't "Nothing matters, idiot" as a message, and the moments of cruel sadomasochistic nihilism are right there in HHGG too
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Replying to @arthur_affect
In particular, and I say this as someone with great affection for HHGG, I think you're overselling the original radio series as having much more of a grand plan behind it as opposed to being wacky cynical humor Adams was making up by the seat of his pants
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hhgttg never relied on constant gross out humour so its way better, hhgttg would never decide to spend 5 mins having dragons talking about fucking each other. r&m suffers from people thinking its smarter then it is becuase it had a science element and did a couple clever things
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Replying to @GraemePeacock @arthur_affect
early on. its got some geuinely good moments that they just seem hell bent on forgetting to carry on with, like the robot morty part and would rather swear and then fart. it relies to much on being all ‘fuck it i’m so smart’ to be even close to hhgttg.
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Replying to @GraemePeacock @arthur_affect
and i agree with Róisín that hhgttg has a lot more depth to it about well anything. it has an undercurrent of overall story/narritive/universe building that r&m just like ‘fuck it’ about and could never become a beloved 40yo piece of work.
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Replying to @GraemePeacock @arthur_affect
I think my feelings are bc I'm also a big fan of Rick and Morty because I do think it has moments of bring genuinely really funny and interesting. But a lot of the central philosophy of it is, intentionally or not, geared towards validating a bunch of dickheads.
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The Doctor Who influence is obvious so there's definitely going to be some Adams energy from Baker era which I think is what's being identified. To Roisin's point I think the closer analogue to HHG2G on US TV is The Good Place.
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The good place is the purest absurdist fiction I love it.
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yeah got a bit into it's own lore in recent seasons but i mostly like it! the idea of things being impossibly big yet somehow incredibly banal while contemplating existence without falling into self destructive despair is more on brand for HHG2G than R+M.
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Replying to @garfieldcatman @arthur_affect
i liked good place but i stopped after a few episodes of s3 it felt a bit lost. but it is enjoyable, and the genral tone, is ‘be nice’ and more things in general need to be ‘be nice’
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I think if you read HHGG as having a message of "be nice" you are really reading back into it The tone of the original series isn't nice at all
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Replying to @arthur_affect @GraemePeacock
Like just as a summary of the difference here, The Good Place takes the destruction of Earth and all life on it as its worst case scenario that all our heroes struggle to stop HHGG starts with this event and milks humor from how nobody but Arthur cares
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Replying to @arthur_affect @GraemePeacock
You'll note that the film has this softened ending (loosely based on SLaTfatF) where the Earth Mk II is actually created and undoes everyone's death In the original series this specifically doesn't happen, the mice decide to just make something up and cancel the project
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