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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 27 Jan 2020

      Trolley problems are exceedingly uncommon in the wild. If someone is going out of their way to use them to justify something, and everyone on the track you pull the lever to hit happens to be a minority, that person is just being a bigot & using "pragmatism" or whatever as cover

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    2. Leonard C Suskin‏ @Czhorat 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl

      What I've always found interesting about the trolley problem IS the arbitrariness. I initially saw it framed two ways: 1) throw a switch to move the trolley, kill 1 save 5. 2) push someone in front of the trolley to stop it. Kill 1, save 5. In 1, people will switch. in 2, not...

      1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
    3. Leonard C Suskin‏ @Czhorat 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @Czhorat @BootlegGirl

      ...it's the same result. One person dies to save five. The instinctive answer is different based on how "personal" it feels. It really seems to me to be a critique of a simplistic kind of pure utilitarianism. Using it for more misses the point.

      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @Czhorat @BootlegGirl

      The original idea of the trolley problem was that in its "classic" form everyone says yes but as you reformulate it to feel more and more extreme people start to balk, even though from a naive utilitarian standpoint it's the same thing

      3 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Czhorat @BootlegGirl

      Most people do, in fact, say that murdering one healthy person to harvest their organs to save five people is bad, even though the math is exactly the same

      6 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    6. Leonard C Suskin‏ @Czhorat 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl

      Exactly. It's a critique/discussion of pure naive utilitarianism, not a real debate on who to kill to save who?

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    7. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @Czhorat @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl

      Imo the other thing is that most cases of trolley problem aren't actually calculated decisions. In real life they're usually snap judgments (often by the one person who's gonna be sacrificed) or calculated military decisions where it's a choice of evils rather than ideals

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    8. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @Czhorat and

      Yeah - I do think that overall, the abstract utilitarian challenge makes it interesting, but it's not the answer but why they're different that matters the most.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @mssilverstein @loudpenitent and

      Interestingly the Wikipedia article on "Trolley Problem" does point out a controversial real life case that closely fits the original parable, even if no one died in the end

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 27 Jan 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and

      In 2003 there was a runaway freight train in LA that was heading toward a station where passenger trains stopped To reduce the risk of loss of life, since they couldn't stop the train they diverted it into a sparsely populated low income neighborhood (the town of Commerce)

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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 27 Jan 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and

          They knew that the area was inhabited and that the train would likely derail and go into people's houses but decided this was a better option than a collision on the tracks Two people's houses were destroyed and thirteen people went to the hospital

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        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 27 Jan 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and

          One of the victims was a pregnant woman who very narrowly avoided being crushed by a collapsing ceiling This was already pretty bad PR for the company but that would've been worse

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
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