The Online Marxist Left is really, really bad about proles vs lumpen, the deserving vs undeserving poor "*I* deserve better because I'm an ablebodied hardworking man It is unjust to lump me in with these shiftless lazy assholes lying on the couch all day"
-
Show this thread
-
Anyway I got in an argument once with an Aimee Terese fan defending her bullshit about how the Left needs "right-wing values" like discipline and honor and sacrifice to succeed, "You can't win a war without an army" And I of course told him to go to hell
4 replies 3 retweets 49 likesShow this thread -
It was specifically the point at which every real life leftist revolution decided that because they needed to win a war they needed to become an army that they *stopped being leftist* "The individual must be sacrificed for the greater good" is the seed of ALL RIGHT WING VALUES
1 reply 12 retweets 71 likesShow this thread -
His whole thing was defending the movie 300, saying that even though the movie was bad and racist if you don't have the core values the movie tries to teach of steadfastness and shared sacrifice And I said fine, let's ignore the racism The traitor Ephialtes is still my hero
1 reply 3 retweets 36 likesShow this thread -
Ephialtes did nothing wrong and if I existed in the world of the movie I would be him Sacrifice yourself for whatever values you want but if your values demand *I* be sacrificed I will gladly snitch on you to the feds and watch your movement burn
2 replies 3 retweets 42 likesShow this thread -
This is how I feel about the science fiction classic The Cold Equations The moment the cold equations said the girl needed to be thrown out the airlock she should've grabbed the controls and taken the whole ship down with her She should've aimed for the whole colony on the way
4 replies 4 retweets 33 likesShow this thread -
Replying to @arthur_affect
I feel like I lost the thread here... Like, the premise of that story is ridiculous and even if you accept it the characters reactions are odd at best but in either case what is the point of making things strictly worse?
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @MatthewVilter
It's an expression of anger and spite at the utilitarian calculus If you want to get deep and serious about it, it's a moral value expressing a game-theoretic strategy, which game theorists actually call "Spite"
1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes -
Replying to @arthur_affect @MatthewVilter
"I am wearing a C4 vest I do not care about the world after I'm gone If you try to sacrifice me for the greater good, my response will be to kill everyone Therefore, take sacrificing me off the table"
1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @arthur_affect @MatthewVilter
Peter Watts has written dark edgelord stuff about this, about how ruling classes are only ever taken down by spite The rulers generally know how to set up a system so that the rational course of action is to accept their rule, that any rebellion will hurt you more than them
1 reply 3 retweets 4 likes
The rebellion happens eventually anyway, because of spite People can only take so much suffering before they become irrational, before they're willing to do ANYTHING just to hurt the people who hurt them, even if it destroys themselves
-
-
Replying to @arthur_affect
I see yeah. I can get behind that... I guess when I said the premise of The Cold Equations is ridiculous I meant the technological/sf premise. It does seem plausible to me that /sometimes/ a no win scenario just doesn't include a spite worthy character/system.
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @MatthewVilter @arthur_affect
The way that spite could improve things is how this wasn’t the first time the operator had to kill somebody. They could do better security sweeps before launch, redesign whatever flaw made it easy to sneak on, do awareness campaigns... 1/2
1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes - Show replies
New conversation -
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.