I'm not saying they should treat alcoholism like cancer I'm saying this article is arguing against something that doesn't exist Being a "drunk" or an "alcoholic" absolutely is still socially stigmatized and AA absolutely is about stigmatizing and judging
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"But AA puts all the moral burden on the alcoholic for being a particularly bad kind of person rather than generally condemning everyone who buys or sells or consumes alcohol at all" Yeah cause they'd just tried that and it was one of the greatest disasters in history
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How do you just skip over that "Other than that, how did you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln"
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It's not like AA was some attempt by anti-Prohibitionists to dig Prohibition's grave It WAS a temperance movement, in strategic retreat, carrying on temperance by other means. This is also obvious if you've ever been to a meeting - it absolutely does view alcohol as "evil"
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"If I were in charge I would simply take a top down approach and ban the thing entirely, or at least openly tell everyone it was evil and would damn their soul Why has nobody thought of this" God I hate this kind of take so much
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They've been trying to do that for hundreds of years and every time they do there's a huge backlash and it fails Shakespeare fucking wrote about it, Toby Belch yelling at Malvolio the Puritan "Thinks thou because thou art sad (sober) there will be no more cakes and ale?"
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Eddie Izzard's joke about how in the UK Thanksgiving is celebrated as "We got rid of the Jesus people"
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Come on We're *in* a temperance movement, right now, still The AA bottom-up model of imposed temperance actually has worked, it's created a new social norm of "You're a piece of shit if you offer alcohol to someone defined as 'in recovery'" That never used to exist
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"What if we treated alcohol more like cigarettes" We're doing that! Liquor licenses are exorbitantly expensive, both federal and state governments charge an excise tax on alcohol, and the number of places you can't have an open container increases every day
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Has there not been an increase in adult beverage-serving theaters, though? I feel like more cinemas are moving in that direction. The local Cinemark in Southern Oregon does, and the rise of Alamo Drafthouse and the like is surely a thing, no?
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That's a cultural trend that doesn't seem to me to be the result of alcohol becoming more generally acceptable but of movie theaters trying to rebrand because people don't go to them anymore
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...or can't be herded into increasingly airline-inspired experiences anymore...
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Like, think about it, the fact that "Beer in a movie theater!" feels edgy and transgressive to many people - a big-city experience you won't get at your local shopping mall cineplex! - is kind of proving my point
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