Drinking is obviously everywhere and was everywhere *for most of the history of the human race* because it meets some kind of need And the fact that "temperance" has gotten as far as it has may be evidence that need is fading or being channeled into other directions
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They've been trying to do that for hundreds of years and every time they do there's a huge backlash and it fails Shakespeare fucking wrote about it, Toby Belch yelling at Malvolio the Puritan "Thinks thou because thou art sad (sober) there will be no more cakes and ale?"
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Eddie Izzard's joke about how in the UK Thanksgiving is celebrated as "We got rid of the Jesus people"
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Come on We're *in* a temperance movement, right now, still The AA bottom-up model of imposed temperance actually has worked, it's created a new social norm of "You're a piece of shit if you offer alcohol to someone defined as 'in recovery'" That never used to exist
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"What if we treated alcohol more like cigarettes" We're doing that! Liquor licenses are exorbitantly expensive, both federal and state governments charge an excise tax on alcohol, and the number of places you can't have an open container increases every day
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(150 years ago if you told a soldier that not only would he not get beer with dinner at all but he *wouldn't be allowed to drink in on-base facilities at all* his head would explode)
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The shit about "It's wine o'clock!" and "wine moms" etc is all backlash to a cultural/legal trend that's all going in one direction long term, and it's a pretty weak backlash Count your blessings
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(And really, don't take credit It's much more likely the legal changes are succeeding because people actually don't want to drink as much than that scolding people and making them feel bad is finally working)
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