But it means something to the AUDIENCE and as we know evoking paratext emotion is more important than narrative
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Replying to @Plutoburns @BetaDecayPlus and
So, I had less problem with that in Wrath of Khan than I do with TRoS. Because in the movie, people either already know about him from their history books, or they react as if it's any other name for a dangerous person. Rey responds as if she's known that name all her life.
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Replying to @chton @Plutoburns and
I feel that's almost the opposite, Rey is much more likely to know a major historical figure from 30 years ago than Kirk is from 300.
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Replying to @roryleahy @Plutoburns and
I agree she has ways of knowing Palps by the time she meets him, but I'd disagree on it being more likely she knows him than Kirk knowing Khan. Record keeping in Star Trek is a lot stricter, and Kirk is academy-educated and grew up in wealth.
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Replying to @chton @roryleahy and
The whole history of the planet she lives on was determined by the Civil War between the Rebels and the Empire, and the Empire was a despotic government completely centered on Palpatine
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chton and
It would be extremely weird for her to have no idea who he was when she lives in the shadow of an Imperial Star Destroyer and her whole living is scavenging Imperial tech
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chton and
Really the issue here is the reverse - the AUDIENCE is much less familiar with the name "Palpatine" based on the onscreen content of the movies than the characters logically should be The name isn't spoken at all in the OT, because Lucas irl hadn't settled on the details
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chton and
All the way up until the release of TPM the hardcore movies-only fandom disagreed strongly with the EU fandom over whether the Emperor's name actually was "Palpatine" or whether it was unknown, possibly unknown in-universe
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chton and
The prequels making it clear that, yes, Palpatine was just his personal name and he ruled openly under it without there being any big secret was technically a retcon in the eyes of said movies-only fans
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chton and
since it was in Lucas's own novelization of the movie I definitely don't consider it a retcon
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The original novelization of ANH (ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster) has a lot of stuff that got retconned though It describes Palpatine as an inexperienced young ruler kept insulated from the administration of the Empire by corrupt advisors
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chton and
Yes, there were differences, but it had the name (I noted some of these things myself in another tweet). So future use of the name was not a retcon.
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Replying to @Sarcasmorator @arthur_affect and
Very early ancillary materials like the Star Wars Dictionary (editions of which came out after Return of the Jedi but long before Timothy Zahn) identified the Emperor as Palpatine, as did the Jedi novelization not just the original Star Wars one
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