Standard “conservatism fights dirty” problem I guess People with a commitment to the idea of a morally prescriptive universe with a bow on it will be willing and able to believe they’re looking at it, because that’s what they think a universe means
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
So “No, this is not how this story goes, there is an absence of that” doesn’t end up legible when embedded in the narrative and parses as nonsensical when said
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
“But what’s the moral” “There isn’t one, I wanted to look at something I find neat” “But it’s a story, so there’s a moral. Why won’t you take responsibility for that moral” It’s what the accurate statement ‘everything is political’ gets warped into in order to bludgeon people
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
Yeah, that's a good point. One odd thing in this is that despite a kind of plausible moral ideology (punishing sex), nobody really talks about it as having a behavioral impact.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @chrysopoetics and
If the viewers can analyze and say "this movie is about the punishment of sexuality" but none of them ever change their opinions on sexual morality because of it, we're in a different land altogether.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
“This movie is about the punishment of sexuality, which I disagree with. I will continue disagreeing out of spite. Shame to know that’s all that gets produced/published though”
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @mssilverstein and
There's a whole discussion to be had about how horror isn't really about portraying a moral order you actually agree with and if you did it probably wouldn't really be horror
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Replying to @arthur_affect @chrysopoetics and
honestly my own take that carol clover was basically right: the essential libidinal moment of slasher horror is when a woman picks up a machete and hacks a man to death it's a passion play, where you start weak and victimized but overcome
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect and
we can see this in the evolution of slashers, where yes of a certainty the original Final Girls were virginal and pure and their friends weren't but modern horror eschews that, often very deliberately yet the story still plays on the same goddamn beats it was never essential.
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Replying to @perdricof @chrysopoetics and
Again, Carpenter said he never intended Laurie Strode to be read as "virginal and pure" The irony he intended was a much more practical one, that by being forced into a boring night at home babysitting she's exposed to danger less than her friends out having fun
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But it's not that she doesn't WANT to party, or hasn't partied before The whole point of them inviting her out and her reluctantly refusing is that she has
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
A lot of ingredients go into making the Final Girl stereotype and most of them taken in isolation are just about the practicalities of drama than morality Of course it's the one friend who's stuck at work who lives while their friends out having fun are getting picked off
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
Not to mention that sex is a position of vulnerability, which is of course the most terrifying time to have something scary happen to you. Like the shower scene in "Psycho." You could also do it to characters on the toilet, but that would get too many laughs.
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