there's one sequence that really stuck with me, with a husband and wife fighting each other to the death in an arena but the thing is, if they fight well, they don't really die, they get rewarded with even better bodies and the show just regards this as a Moral Abomination
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which is a fundamentally conservative approach -- the question of consent doesn't matter, nor autonomy, nor choice within a constrained system rather, it's just Unnatural that a husband and wife should fight like that and they're Depraved for engaging in that activity
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Replying to @perdricof @nberlat
This is just a general thing about science fiction, including cyberpunk, that it's just as often about invoking fear and disgust at the possibility of Things Man Was Not Meant to Know as it is optimism and curiosity
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The whole Caveman Science Fiction joke from Aaron Diaz
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Really you could argue "cautionary tale" science fiction has always dominated the genre in one firm or another and is generally more influential than "gee whiz wouldn't it be cool" science fiction
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I feel the idea of it is also influential in itself; as in, people will happily assume anything that makes them uncomfortable is also Cautionary Tale Fiction
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
Keep running into people going “Ah, obviously these characters are suffering their deserved comeuppance” and having to squint and go “…I mean they didn’t get rescued from the plot by the hand of Good and I like that in a chain of cause and effect but what.”
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
People who feel comfortable with cautionary tales are disproportionately likely to be willing and happy to build plots around what they think they deserve and assume everyone else does too, therefore sufficient conflict or misfortune proves moral iniquity, I guess?
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Yeah I remember John Carpenter actually getting upset about the whole Final Girl concept and saying he never intended Halloween to be a story about teenagers being "punished for having sex"
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it doesn't really work in any slasher. people get punished for everything, including having sex and not having sex.
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Right, to a large extent it's the critics who believe in the Final Girl kind of making things up and forcing the character to fit in that mold to justify her survival Which Cabin in the Woods kind of admitted in its meta way
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