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    1. RationalWiki‏ @RationalWiki 6 Jan 2020

      trying to explain Roko's Basilisk commonly gets the reaction "no that just sounds stupid, you must be explaining it wrong" reaction, when actually it really is just stupid https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk …

      13 replies 30 retweets 148 likes
    2. 2 meter cables only‏ @notkavi 6 Jan 2020
      Replying to @RationalWiki

      Wait I still don't get why ex post facto torture even does anything within this utilitarian context

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. 2 meter cables only‏ @notkavi 6 Jan 2020
      Replying to @notkavi @RationalWiki

      Like what's the motivation for the AI to torture people after it's already built?

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 6 Jan 2020
      Replying to @notkavi @kavikavigupta @RationalWiki

      It's built out of Yudkowsky's obsession with Newcomb's paradox and the general idea of being able to perfectly predict the future and perfectly simulate the past, which in his view is effectively the same as actual time travel

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. 2 meter cables only‏ @notkavi 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @RationalWiki

      That kinda answers how it can do it, but doesn't really answer why?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. 2 meter cables only‏ @notkavi 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @notkavi @arthur_affect @RationalWiki

      Unless they think being able to simulate the past lets you rewrite it?????

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Zelnut  ☕ - abolish the police completely forever‏ @dahliaiteration 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @notkavi @kavikavigupta and

      Like, if I make two simulations of you that are genuinely 100% perfect, there is now functionally a 66% chance you are one of those simulations thinking you are real. If I say I'm going to torture them if they don't do something, the real you is safe, but that might not be YOU.

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    8. Zelnut  ☕ - abolish the police completely forever‏ @dahliaiteration 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @dahliaiteration @kavikavigupta and

      So there's now a 66% chance if you don't do the thing, you're going to get tortured. This is very stupid for a lot of reasons, but if you assume EY is correct about absolutely everything, it works, and KNOWING this is how it works is now super bad.

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    9. Zelnut  ☕ - abolish the police completely forever‏ @dahliaiteration 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @dahliaiteration @kavikavigupta and

      And there are two solutions to this: 1. It is almost certainly not true or even practical. 2. If you precommit to not give a fuck under any circumstances, the AI is wasting resources for nothing and, because it's super intelligent, it knows that.

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    10. 2 meter cables only‏ @notkavi 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @dahliaiteration @arthur_affect @RationalWiki

      There's a third objection to this whole mess, if a simulation of you is you, then why do you need the computer for your existence to feel conscious? (See my blog on why I hate simulationism https://kavigupta.org/2018/10/14/Simulationism-Beyond-The-Matrix/ …)

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 7 Jan 2020
      Replying to @notkavi @kavikavigupta @RationalWiki

      Yeah, Yudkowskyism is a weird kind of backdoor theism, with the bizarre tenet that a universe with a god is more parsimonious than one without, because they think that any original atheist universe both can and will eventually create an AI deity

      1:13 PM - 7 Jan 2020
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      • 🆗🆒 𝗠𝗲𝗴𝗮 𝗠𝗮𝘁𝘁 Francis Jervis 𝕮𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖆 𝕵𝖊𝖓𝖓𝖎𝖋𝖊𝖗 𝔅𝔖𝔠🏳️‍🌈🦋 RationalWiki Zelnut ☕ - abolish the police completely forever 2 meter cables only
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        1. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 8 Jan 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @RationalWiki @kavikavigupta

          Weirdly, I don't think it is, in its original form. That's the common "failure mode" (as they would put it), but to give EY his due, he kinda does anticipate that.

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