trying to explain Roko's Basilisk commonly gets the reaction "no that just sounds stupid, you must be explaining it wrong" reaction, when actually it really is just stupid https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk …
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Replying to @RationalWiki
Wait I still don't get why ex post facto torture even does anything within this utilitarian context
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Replying to @notkavi @RationalWiki
Like what's the motivation for the AI to torture people after it's already built?
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It's built out of Yudkowsky's obsession with Newcomb's paradox and the general idea of being able to perfectly predict the future and perfectly simulate the past, which in his view is effectively the same as actual time travel
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RationalWiki
That kinda answers how it can do it, but doesn't really answer why?
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Unless they think being able to simulate the past lets you rewrite it?????
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Which... that's not how data works?
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It's about the idea that if you, in the past, can predict what it will do to its simulation of you in the future (knowing you can't actually tell you're not the simulation) then it's like an actual time travel conversation
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RationalWiki
But like it isn't real time travel? So like it doesn't effect causality? So there's no reason this torture scheme would lead to a faster development of the basilisk?
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It does if the fact that you predicted it ends up making you donate all your money to get the AI created
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Replying to @arthur_affect @RationalWiki
Ah I just got it! The reason the AI can't just not do the torture is because then the perfect predictors wouldn't have donated in the past, so the design of the AI should take this into account and ensure that it has torture built in
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