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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 31 Dec 2019

      Based on an AITA post I just saw, help me out a second, as an intersex woman who will never conceive. Is there an idea taken as axiomatic that a person who willfully remains absent from the occasion of their partner giving birth is committing an unspeakable moral dereliction?

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    2. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 31 Dec 2019

      Like I'm confused or at least surprised because what I'm hearing seems to indicate there is zero possible mitigating context, if you're not there for any reason you're pure fucking evil, the height of bastardry And it just kind of... I don't understand the intensity, like at all

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    3. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 31 Dec 2019

      I mean the context of the post was—and we'll just go with text here, not subtext—somebody who saves lives for a living being on duty during a climate catastrophe with a friend who got the news their grandfather was on his death bed and staying so the other could be with him.

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    4. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 31 Dec 2019

      It you take that situation at face value (it does seem a little contrived) then the calculus being employed there seems a lot like reasoning I would use. Like, somebody dying is gone forever? Assuming they're important to you a death usually takes priority over a birth?

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    5. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 31 Dec 2019

      Like you notify your partner, you send someone to be there in your stead, you FaceTime or something if at all possible, but Death wins (and yeah a baby can be stillborn too but if that's likely to happen there will typically be some indication in advance)

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    6. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 31 Dec 2019

      Like if that is literally the ethical problem then DEONTOLOGICALLY SPEAKING that is the most prosocial choice to me. The exception being if somebody was expected to die in advance, because you have a social responsibility to say your goodbyes _before_ you have to save lives

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    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Dec 2019
      Replying to @Nymphomachy

      The difference between deontology and consequentialism is a matter for endless debate when applied to individual situations but I think you're mixing it up here This is a consequentialist analysis ("Most likely the baby will be born without incident so no harm no foul")

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    8. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Dec 2019
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy

      The deontological argument is that as a husband you have a social role demanding you perform certain actions and what actually happens as a result doesn't matter Most traditional deontologists would say "husband" trumps "firefighter" or "friend"

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Dec 2019
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy

      It doesn't matter that you can't affect whether the baby is born safely but you can save lives by being a firefighter, deontology says if you're counting the consequences after the event you've already strayed from the path of actual moral obligation

      11:33 AM - 31 Dec 2019
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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Dec 2019
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy

          And this is kind of the thing, most of us have actually been taught to think like consequentialists but in our closest emotional relationships we start thinking in terms of deontology We want there to be duties that apply to us that don't get mathed

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        3. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 31 Dec 2019
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy

          I would also argue it's just a monkeysphere thing. The spouse is More Real because their relationship is more personal, so Sending The Right Messages and Building the Right Life is registered as more essential

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