It’s reasonable to assume we’re seeing rebellion propaganda. Making up atrocities is pretty typical of propaganda.
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Ok that's just stupid Sorry, that's actually stupid. When you're saying "well may be the entire movie from its very first scene is a lie", you're not engaging with the film anymore. Stormtroopers are space fash. Fuck 'em all. They were kids once. Boo hoo. So's every one.
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Replying to @loudpenitent
It’s not stupid to question whether a series that randomly uses fascist imagery is actually saying anything coherent about fascism, man.
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Replying to @nberlat
You aren't engaging with the text of the film, though. You're just trying to find a contrary bit.
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Replying to @loudpenitent
The text of the film is contradictory. Refusing thermoan arguments doesn’t mean you’re not engaging w the text.
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Replying to @nberlat
It is not a "thermian argument" to say "ok, this is the actual text of the film, with no apparent Unreliable Narrator." People aren't saying "what if the stormtroopers are the Real Good Guys," which would be nonsense of the highest order.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat
They're saying "we want the heroes to inspire the fash rank and file to turn on their masters, and are gravely disappointed the former child soldier quite sensibly says 'nah, I know these guys, they re all assholes. Fuck 'em.'"
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat
Space Fash who don't defect catching bullets (or blaster bolts as the case may be) is Good Actually, especially when we are explicitly showed that people totally can and have.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat
But conditioning works on most people. That sucks, but it's also weirdly mature to say "you can't save 'em and don't have to prioritize saving them bc they were children once."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @nberlat
The uncomfortable thing here is that drafting child soldiers is itself an atrocity but child soldiers are also associated with committing atrocities The reason child soldiers are a war crime isn't because they're ineffective, it's because they ARE effective
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Children are impressionable and cling to authority figures, it's easier to indoctrinate them into committing war crimes than adults That's why people do it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nberlat
YUP. I mean they're not the equals of adults in a stand up fight, but they're much easier to manipulate
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They also have less ability to distinguish fantasy and reality, and a less developed theory of mind, so they’re less likely to hesitate to commit atrocities and less aware of the risk of their own death… so long as they keep winning.
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